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Rank the Sound 5

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Emperor Palpatine, Jun 14, 2018.

  1. Emperor Palpatine Well-Known Member

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    Also, which tier are they all in?

    Portrayal wise it was pretty clear:

    1. Kimimaro

    2. Sakon/Ukon

    3. Tayuya

    4. Kidomaru

    5. Jirobo

    Feat-wise, I'd say that's a fair ranking though not as clear cut (except Kimimaro at the top and Jirobo at the bottom).

    In terms of tiers:

    Kimimaro - High jonin
    Sakon/Ukon - Low jonin
    Tayuya - Low jonin/High chunin
    Kidomaru - Low jonin/High chunin
    Jirobo - chunin
     
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  2. Alita54 Alita>You

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    IMO

    1.Kimi
    2.Tayuya
    3.Sakon and Ukon
    4.Kidomaru
    5.Jirobo

    Kimi is anywhere from mid to high jonin probably. The rest are probably anywhere from high chunin to low jonin.
     
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    By portrayal.
    1.Kimi.
    2.Sakon/Ukon.
    3.Tayuya/Kidomaru.
    4.Kidomaru/Tayuya.
    5.Jirobo.

    By feats:
    1.Kimi. Would be able to beat everyone from Konoha 12-I know, that it's called Konoha 11. Almost killed Lee and Gaara.
    2.Sakon/Ukon(leader of Sound 4/5. Is able to rest during the fight, by switching bodies)and Kidomaru(prodigy of Hyuuga Clan had a lot of problems in dealing with him. He has quite strong Jutsus
    as for characters from his age group in Part 1).
    3.Tayuya. Strong Genjutsu. She almost killed Shikamaru, who was quite strong amongst his age group.
    4.Jirobo. He was very strong, but doesn't posses tactical skills and Choji was able to took him down.
     
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    Kimi
    Sakon/Ukon
    Kido
    Tayuya
    Jirobo

    For the sound four I'd rank them all as either being at the bottom of special Jounin lv and Kimi as elite Jounin lvl when sick
     
  5. Crow Savior of the Future

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    Jirobo: Chunin-His attacks are one dimensional he uses earth and he can sap chakra. He isn't versatile.

    Kidomaru: Mid Chunin. He has good analytical skills but he tends to play with opponents instead of finishing the job. He is a niche fighter but he's horrible at close quarters.

    Tayuya: High Chunin. Her ogres make up for her weakness in close quarters. Skill in genjutsu is good and her medium is hard to avoid (sound)

    Sakon/Ukon: Low Jonin. Good Kekkei Genkai and very good at taijutsu. Has Rashomon to block projectile jutsu.

    Kimimaru: High Jonin. His Taijutsu is extrordinary and his kekkei genkai really helps him out. His curse mark really helps him out and he was shown to be extremely durable in it. His bone forest is good because he can appear anywhere in it and it transforms a battlefield to his advantage
     
  6. Matto Chosen One

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    I don't see how the Sound 4 are Jounin level when they had to go all out and use their CS2 to defeat two exhausted Special Jounin. And it was implied that if Genma and Raidou hadn't been tired from completing the mission, they wouldn't have lost.

    I'd rank them as strong Chunin. Kimimaro, however, is Elite Jounin level.
     
  7. Emperor Palpatine Well-Known Member

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    I think them struggling against Genma and Raido is overplayed. They had to use CS2 but the fight couldn't have lasted long, and they didn't look injured at all. The fatigue seemed to me to be more the aftereffects of CS2 than anything.

    As is them losing to genin. Choji needed the red pill against Jirobo, who was the weakest. Kidomaru (second weakest by portrayal) and Neji (one of the strongest leaf genin, easily chunin level, who hard countered him) killed each other. Tayuya beat Shikamaru (official Chunin with an IQ over 200) and Sakon/Ukon straight up wrecked Kiba (although let's be honest that's a bit of an expectation if we're to claim them to be jonin level). But Temari and Kankuro came who were not only (low) jonin level (imo) themselves but hard countered their opponents.

    And let's not forget Kimimaro trashing KN0 Naruto, Lee and Gaara in succession. Gaara was easily jonin level at that point. Kimimaro was easily high jonin level.

    The Sasuke retrieval arc was pretty much the only arc in which the heroes were so utterly defeated. Choji and Neji kamikaze'd, the rest lost and had to be saved. Shikamaru by Temari, Kiba by Kankuro, Gaara by ninja AIDS and Naruto by Sasuke deciding to spare him. Failed mission in every way. It's one of the things I loved about the arc, shame Kishi pussied out of leaving Neji and Choji dead. Would have made it that much more powerful. Would have been a great opportunity to develop Shikamaru and Hinata too.
     
  8. hbcaptain Well-Known Member

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    Kimimaro
    (extremely massive gap)
    Sakon&Ukon
    Tayuya
    Kidomaru
    (little gap)
    Jirobo
     
  9. Buuhan Hokage of the Six Paths

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    They stated that if they hadn't gone all out from the start they would've died against the tokebetsu jonin.
     
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    1..Kimimaro
    2.Sakon and Ukon
    3.Tayuya
    4.Kidomaru
    5.Jirobo
     
  11. Emperor Palpatine Well-Known Member

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    Doesn't necessarily mean they struggled all that much. We know the fight couldn't have lasted long and we know they didn't really sustain any injuries.
     
  12. Buuhan Hokage of the Six Paths

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    No they literally stated if they hadn't used all of their full power(curse stage 2) from the very beginning they would've died against two tired special jonin who are themselves technically below regular rounded jonin. Assuming for some reason they held back or had little challenge is wishful thinking.

    Heres the scan
    • They proclaim that they have no energy left from fighting the jonin(meaning they had to use a lot of it keeping up CS2 to even compete)
    • Kidomaru explains holding any of their strength back could've ended in a defeat.
    • Its also good to note they are a lot stronger as a unit as opposed to fighting singularly and the jonin still pushed them to high/extreme diff even though they were tired.
     
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  13. Emperor Palpatine Well-Known Member

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    They didn't hold back =/= they had a hard time.

    Nothing there refutes what I said, if anything it confirms it. They're mainly complaining about the aftereffects of CS2 and in that particular translation even say "we may have been defeated" not "we would have died."
     
  14. Buuhan Hokage of the Six Paths

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    Not holding back anything to win a fight means it was a high difficulty fight. I don't know why you're ignoring this simple concept. If they had been in base or CS1 you would've had a point, but thats not the case now is it.

    • Everything refutes your point
    • So what if they're complaining about the CS2 lol? It simply means they had to use practically all their stamina to keep it active to actually beat the Jonin and even then they didn't manage to fully kill them. You're trying to equate them being tired from CS2 to them not having difficulty with the jonin. This example actually reinforces my point, but you're dancing around that.
    • Being defeated in the context of this means either death or capture. Its pretty easy to see what Kidomaru implied.
     
  15. Emperor Palpatine Well-Known Member

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    They used CS2 and a lot of stamina, yes. But they didn't receive any serious injuries and it clearly wasn't a long fight.

    You can go all out and completely curbstomp the opponent. Not saying that's what happened, just saying go all out =/= have difficulty.

    Here are the facts:

    -They used CS2
    -They were tired
    -They ran into the jonin, fought, won and stopped to rest all in the time it took for the Sasuke retrieval squad chasing after them to reach them. In other words it wasn't a long fight.
    -They nearly killed Genma and Raido.
    -They were relatively unharmed.

    Everything else is speculation.
     
  16. Buuhan Hokage of the Six Paths

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    • They exhausted themselves as a unit to the point of not being able continue moving. That signifies a high diff battle.
    • It would've been one thing had they been completely fine afterwards stamina wise, but thats not the case
    • The point works depending on the situation, but here it doesn't apply given what we know.
     
  17. Maverick04 Susanoo's nose is a waste of Chakra

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    Kimimaro: Orochimaru stated that Hiruzen assassination wouldve gone a lot smoother if Kimimaro was healthy and with him..That speaks to how powerful the guy was..And iirc he was stated to be stronger than the entire sound 4 who in full power beat two tokubetsu jonin who were tired..Kimimaro should be easily low to mid Jonin while sick and hypothetically speaking his healthy version should be elite Jonin level imo.

    Sound 4 are pretty equal though

    Sakon and Ukon: Good close range abilities..Weirdly cool KG and ability to merge with people to internally inflict damage..Can also summon a Rashomon..Should be easily a high Chuunin level with CS2.

    Tayuya: Almost the same level as Sakon and Ukon..Great genjutsu..Was able to resist Shikamaru's shadow possession jutsu which even multiple sound chuunins couldnt..And she has those big troll like summons as well..Easily mid to High Chuunin

    Kidomaru: One of the best long range stealth fighters in part 1..And a quick thinker as well..Was able to figure out Neji's byakugan blindspot in a few exchanges..And has access to a boss summon as well..Mid Chuunin level

    Jirobo: Weakest Sound 4 member IMO but still the strongest one physically..His physical feats are probably one of the best if not the best in the entire series..Lifting a bigass Choji with easy..Lifted and threw a massive boulder..His doton dome which absorbs chakra is also one of the most unique jutsus out there..should be Low to Mid Chuunin Level
     
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