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"Ready To Rename Ahmedabad As Karnavati," Says Gujarat Government

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  1. Sherlōck High Functioning Sociopath

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    The BJP government in Uttar Pradesh had already renamed Allahabad as Prayagraj.

    Hours after Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath announced the renaming of Faizabad district as Ayodhya, the Gujarat government on Tuesday said it was keen on renaming Ahmedabad as Karnavati, if there were no legal hurdles.

    Speaking to reporters in Gandhinagar, Deputy Chief Minister Nitin Patel said the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) government was willing to change Ahmedabad's name if it gets past the legal hurdles and receives required support.

    "People are still having a feeling that Ahmedabad should be renamed as Karnavati. If we get required support to overcome the legal hurdles, we are always ready to change the name of the city," Mr Patel told reporters when asked if the state government had a plan to rename India's only city having the 'World Heritage' tag.

    Historically, the area around Ahmedabad has been inhabited since the 11th century, when it was known as Ashaval.

    Chaulukya ruler Karna of Anhilwara (modern Patan) had waged a successful war against the Bhil king of Ashaval and established a city called Karnavati on the banks of the Sabarmati river.

    Sultan Ahmed Shah in 1411 A.D. had laid the foundation of a new walled city near Karnavati and named it Ahmedabad after the four saints in the area by the name Ahmed.

    "We can think of changing the name at an appropriate time," Mr Patel added.

    Slamming the BJP government over the issue, state unit Congress spokesperson Manish Doshi said the promise to rename Ahmedabad was just another "poll gimmick" by the ruling party.

    "For the BJP, issues like construction of a Ram temple in Ayodhya and renaming Ahmedabad as Karnavati are the means to get votes of Hindus," said Mr Doshi.

    "BJP leaders dump such issues after coming to power. They only cheated Hindus all these years," he added.

    Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath on the eve of Diwali announced that Faizabad district would henceforth be known as Ayodhya.

    "Ayodhya is a symbol of our 'aan, baan aur shaan' (honour, pride and prestige)," Yogi Adityanath said in Ayodhya.

     
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    Ahmedabad to Karnavati
    Allahabad to Pragyaraj
    Faizabad to Ayodhya
    Aurangabad to Sambhaji Nagar
    Ahmednagar to Anand Nagar
    Hyderabad to Bhagya Nagar
    Mughalsarai to Deen Dayal Nagar
    Osamabad to Dharashiv
    Nizamabad to Indrapuri


    Good time to be a Hindus Nationalist


    :blessed

    Also happy Dipawali to all my folks
    Apki yah diwali mangalmay ho
     
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    Well as long as they follow all the legal procedures then I don't really have any problem with it.
     
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    You don't think it's a kind of revisionism trying to pretend like the 400 years of Muslim rule in India never happened?
     
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    Here in HK there is occasional debate about whether or not colonial-era place names should be changed.

    E.g. Queen's Road -> Sun Yat-sen road.

    But it hasn't come to much because people seem to view the British heritage as part of the "Hongkongness" which separates them from the rest of China.
     
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    They are trying to shift from Muslim rule bring some good and some bad into muslim rule is all bad.
    One politician said that blatantly while ago
     
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    What next the hindu nationalists blow up the one real historical touristy thing they have? (Taj Mahal) Or will they pretend it's totally a Hindu building?
     
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    IMO this is actually very petty.

    The name of this place has been Ahmedabad for 600 years. But now suddenly they want to change it cause it was named by Muslims. And they are changing it cause it was named by Muslims.

    600 years a long time to hold grudges.

    They would have if they could. They are only not doing it cause it is a cash cow.

    Taj Mahal must be razed down: BJP MP Vinay Katiyar’s ‘hate rant’ against monument



    BJP lawmaker: Taj Mahal will soon become ‘Tej Mandir’



    Anti-Muslim sentiment is nothing surprising from BJP.
     
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  12. GrizzlyClaws Big Bad Grizzly

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    Apparently the Taj Mahal is not getting any funding for renovation for some years now. So essentially it is going to wither away sooner or later.
     
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    If you're an Indian Nationalist, the history of the country is going to look very different depending on who you include in the "Indian Nation."

    If both Hindus and Muslims are included, then the glory days of India extend all the way through Mughal Empire (1526-1857).

    But if you're only counting Hindus, then the last major power was the Gupta Empire (c. 300-590).

    So if you're excluding Muslims you're shortening the "glorious" history by 1300 years.
     
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    From getting rid of some Muslim names of places to promising a "grand" statue of the Hindu god Ram, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's ruling party is making passionate appeals to its hard-core Hindu nationalist base in the most politically important state ahead of a national election next year.

    A near clean-sweep in Uttar Pradesh, the northern state of 220 million people that sends the highest number of lawmakers to the lower house of parliament, helped Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) win its biggest mandate in three decades in 2014.

    Political strategists say keeping its mainly Hindu base intact in Uttar Pradesh and elsewhere would be crucial to repeat such a performance, but there are also concerns that the BJP has been turning up the heat on divisive religious issues.

    Yogi Adityanath, a robe-wearing Hindu priest who is the BJP chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, on Tuesday changed the name of Faizabad district to Ayodhya, the place where Hindus believe Lord Ram was born thousands of years ago. Before the change, Ayodhya was the name of a town in Faizabad.

    Last month, he changed the name of Allahabad, where three rivers considered holy by Hindus meet, to the Hindu name Prayagraj.

    Both Faizabad and Allahabad were Islamic names given to places hundreds of years ago by India's then Muslim rulers.

    "Ayodhya is our honor, prestige and pride," Adityanath said at an event in the town, declaring the name change amid loud cheers from the audience. "Ayodhya is identified with Lord Ram."

    He said the state would decide on a location for a statue of Ram that could become an Ayodhya landmark. He also promised to open an airport in the district that would be named after Ram.

    Many leaders of the BJP and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the Hindu-first group from which the BJP was born, are demanding the government issue an executive order that would bypass the Supreme Court so that they can build a Ram temple at a highly controversial religious site in Ayodhya. The destruction of a mosque on that site by a frenzied Hindu mob in 1992 sparked deadly riots across the country.

    At the moment the site is under court control. There are fears that communal tensions between the majority Hindu population and Muslims, the biggest minority group in India with more than 170 million people, could flare again if the status quo is disturbed.

    The moves aren't limited to Uttar Pradesh. In the western state of Gujarat, the BJP government there is also considering changing the name of the state's commercial center, Ahmedabad, a name given to it by a former Muslim ruler.

    And only last week, Gujarat unveiled the world's tallest statue, a $400 million effigy of independence hero Vallabhbhai Patel that is nearly twice the height of New York's Statue of Liberty as part of a BJP campaign to re-brand what it terms "forgotten" leaders.

     
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    So Shiva worshiper will be OK if Rama got biggest statue?
     
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    IIRC there are many Hindu sects
    Vaishnava Dharma
    Shaivaism
    Etc
     
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    The interesting part is that they are (supposedly) not antagonistic to one another, because they think all gods are manifestations of the same ultimate reality. Different regions and communities just have different "favourite" gods.

    Since Shiva is the most popular in the south, I wonder if he is maybe an echo of the original Dravidian religion that was there before the Indo-Europeans arrived in India?
     
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    Idk prolly so.Indonesian middle age Hinduism is also mostly worship Shiva.


    Lingga is common inside temples.

    Prolly because southerners is traders while northerners is farmer and religion spread through trade
     
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    Forget about that, what's an Indian Nationalist proud of India? An unsanitary state, known as the most dangerous country for women with the highest rape count, and sectarian violence aren't really something to be proud of.
    So instead of those sensitive "fuckin' muzzie naemz!" being changed, why not attempt to tackle the addressed issues instead.
     
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    Muh oldest civilization in the world! :argh
    Muh largest democracy! :argh
    Muh Sanskrit is used in computer programming! :argh
     
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    The amount of butthurt in this thread is delicious :catryoma
     
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    There was a place called Osamabad ?

    Fuck :lmao
     
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    This is kind of like Statue thing in America.
    Should you bring down statues of Confederate leaders and Generals or should you keep them because of History?
    Most Sultan and Badshah were indeed piece of shit. From my memory Akbar was the only Muslim Badshah who didn't harassed Hindu in his tenure. He was a good guy who didn't care much about religion.
    So it doesn't bother me as long as the place off which name is being changed approve the decision instead of Delhi .
    Who are we to tell them what they can or can't do?
    It is easy judge people from behind the computer after all.
     
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    Yo osama means Servant of God nothing to do with Osama bin laden.
     
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    I know.

    Just that's a very weird thing to see in writting.
     
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    Might as well rename "India" to Gangeesland as well as that was given by the British
     
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    India official name has 2.
    Internal use is Bharat
    India is for external use come from western (Greek or Brit)

    While Hindustan (i think it was the way muslim say it)
     
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    According to Indian Constitution India has two names.
    'India that is Bharat shall be union of territories . . . '
    Hindustan while is used has no legal basis and thus can't be used on official documents.
     
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    Already being done

    Bharat is the original name



    Based babaji
     
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    In a Chinese source from 100 BC, India is called Shendu 身毒.

    Then a bit later in 100 CE it's called Tianzhu 天竺, which has stuck as the Buddhist name for their Holy Land.

    Both are clearly derived from some Sanskrit or Prakrit word resembling Indu or Hindu.
     
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