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Remakes, Reboots, Adaptations, Sequels, Prequels and Spin-Offs

Discussion in 'Konoha Theatre' started by Ben Grimm, Jun 4, 2018.

  1. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    Tell me Gandalf, what type of world do we live in where new ideas and old ones linger until they are milked of all soul. That I should live long enough to see the death of the human imagination.
     
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    When done right, they're good.
    When done wrong, they're bad.
     
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  3. Fang Titan

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    Hollywood is creatively bankrupt.
     
  4. Ben Grimm Kicking the Hulk's Ass

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    But is it worth the risk of bad?

    But how can it be fixed?
     
  5. Mider T VM Rapist

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    The risk is really less than an unknown project. Most people know what they are in store for with a familiar setting or characters.
     
  6. ~Gesy~ Well-Known Member

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    Problem with pitching new ideas is that you have no idea how it will gel with audiences (hence why the more creative films tend to have significantly less financial backing than one with a proven formula.)

    Creativity is still alive in Hollywood but it's kinda on you to put effort into finding it.
     
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  7. Fang Titan

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    Real talk no. Hollywood is straight up defined by being scared of risk taking and lacking the actual will to make new IPs. And sequels almost always do better than their originals which is why there are so many fucking remakes and sequels.

    Iron-Man 1 made half a billion domestically, Iron-Man 2 did even better, Iron-Man 3 did roughly twice as much as its predecessors. Same with the Transformers movies, same with Fast & Furious, James Bond movies, etc...
     
  8. ~Gesy~ Well-Known Member

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    Can a new IP compete with an upcoming future where Marvel and Star Wars movies release every couple of months? Being "afraid" makes a lot of sense since making money is the main goal here.

    Still, original films still get made under the radar of the movie giants.
     
  9. Fang Titan

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    They do but they never typically gross as much and tend to be at best sleeper hits.
     
  10. MartialHorror The Convicted Cinephile!

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    The problem is ultimately that sequels and remakes are simply going to catch peoples attention more than anything else.

    If you were going to hold out "Thor: The Dark World" and "Gone Baby Gone" in front of my face, I would probably choose the Thor sequel because I have an idea what kind of movie it will be, but the other is a mystery. Of course, now I look back at them and see "Thor: The Dark World" was the worst MCU flick and "Gone baby Gone" was my favorite movie of its year.
     
  11. ATastyMuffin Kanye's Biggest Fan

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    Brands are becoming more prevalent. Star power is gradually declining and even more so for director fame. People know and trust Marvel/Pixar, so that's the one they'd rather spend their money on.

    That's not what domestically means, lol. Domestic box office is North America only. Iron Man 1 made $318m in that regard, IIRC.
     
  12. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    1. Movies are getting, in absolute terms, more expensive to make. Not sure about relative though.

    2. There are much more alternative entertainment options today.

    Don't think there were multiplexes back in the day. A theater would have one screen showing one movie a day. Take it or leave it. If you're a kid in 1960 and not in the mood to see Paint Dries: Red I guess you can go wrestle a cow or find out how many cigarettes can fit in your nose.

    You'll find that people who grew up in the pre-internet era have a much stronger collective memory than millennials, because there were few enough movies and records out there that everybody had basically seen and heard everything. Or so it seems.
     
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    That's also why more and more MCU and Star Wars movies are also going more digital. It helps lower costs, having expensive CGI is preferable to having to pay tons of money for huge sets, locations rented, and so on. I expect this trend to continue for the next couple years as more studios and filmmakers get in on it.
     
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