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Republican House Member Sends Explicit IMs to Congressional Page

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  1. That NOS Guy

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    Click this link to suppor the glorious rising of the worker

    Remember people, irony is the real binding glue of the universe:

    Foley, as chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus, had introduced legislation in July to protect children from exploitation by adults over the Internet.

    A month from now remember to vote your values and elect the Jesus- I mean Republicans to office, because the various ethics scandels, wars, and now this don't constitute a gross breach of ethics.

    Oh, and Clinton got a blowjob while traveling to the future to help 9/11 happen. Fixate on that.
     
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  2. Cardboard Jewsuke

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    I think i am goign to vote Republican, specifically in spite of you. Thanks for making my descision so much easier.

    P.S. I live in florida, who cares what other chucklehead they get in his place.
     
  3. That NOS Guy

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    I inspired a spite vote, yay!

    Tell me my feeble minded countrymen, how does it feel to vote for a complete lack of ethics and morals simply to spite someone, more specifically someone who pointed out this clusterfuck of hypocrisy?

    Then again, your side has been nothing but attuned to the politics of spite for the past 20 years. You can't muster up a decent message so you'll smear the opposition and claim you're superior. It's charming, in a rustic Nazi way.

    You're voting for people who will break their own laws simply because it's convienent. Winston Churchill once said the greatest argument against democracy was a chat with the common voter, that only grows true with the passing of times.

    -NOS
    "Values? When you see some drunk stumble out of a bar do you give him a job as a brain surgeon because you'd like to have a beer with him? Values."
     
  4. Cardboard Jewsuke

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    Pretty damn good actually

    Edit: Seriously, it's an interestign article, but please keep your political trashtalking to the Debate section, it's there for a reason. No need for you to go on about that stuff here.
     
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  5. Razgriez

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    Oh the irony. You know the rest of the world is just as corrupt and pitiful as America. We are just leading the race in technological advances and have the strongest economy with the greatest influence across the world.
     
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    The entire thing is sick, but I hardly think it's enough to reflect badly on the Republican party. It's like saying Bin Laden was muslim so all muslims suck ass, or Gacy was a man so all men are evil. Dumb logic.
     
  7. That NOS Guy

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    The excuse "everyone else does it" fails. Go back to ethics. There's a reason we're supposed to have goddamn standards.

    The fact that this was brought to another congressman's attention and RNC leadership is suspected of knowing this for a long time means nothing right? Tell me again, who was the party most connected to Jack Ambramoff?

    The utter irony of the matter is this is yet another Republican elected on "values". It's a case in point on how that's stupid and will blow up in the voters faces.

    So you revel in your ignorance?

    Why not?

    Oh wait, I can and I will. This is a news article, I gave my opinion alongside it. So fuck your theory. You don't want me to say anything since it shows your side for the hideiously ammoral whackjobs you are. Keeping up a facade is better then actually changing right?
     
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    American politics are really interesting. The only problem is that I can't vote. D:

    Maybe that's what the republicans ought to ban over the internets. Oh, and putting the ten commandments in every court-room of the US. That'd show those liberal atheists! :D
     
  9. T4R0K

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    Not really... We have much more "fun" here in Europe with the politician manoeuvers and screw-up. I take France as an example because I live there. There are more parties than just two, and they all bitch at each other, looking like a bunch of kids wanting to be chief.

    And we change (hopefully) president in 2007. And I have no idea who to give my vote to. They all disgust me from politics. There's a woman that wants to be the next president, but the other candidates for the socialist party hate her so much, they dug out her brother's name, who participated into the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in NZ in 1987. They hope it makes her look bad.

    But the french people... really didn't give any attention to that news. We just fucking don't care her brother set up someone teh bomb 20 years ago.

    And in Hungary, the governement admitted they lied to the people. And there's something fishy in Eire (Republic of Ireland). I don't talk about Italy that recently kicked Berlusconi out, and let's not forget the nazis are rising again in some parts of East Germany.

    Europe is more politically entertaining. It's a real hornet nest !
     
  10. Amaretti

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    Loved how FOX claimed he was a Democrat.

    The republicans knew what he was doing, but they didn't out him. They protected him. And when asked why they protected him, they said that they didn't want to be accused of 'gay bashing' for firing a p*d*p****.

    :notrust

    As if Republicans have ever had respect for gays.
     
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    What you fail to mention is that many people besides republicans knew of his situation. And rejected the oppurtunity to bring it up untill now, conveniently close to election time.
     
  12. That NOS Guy

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    Source. Now.

    There's been nothing but insinations and accusations the democrats knew something, not concrete hard evidence like .
     
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    Well this guy was obviously acting very unprofessional and hypocritical, and it's a good thing he's gone. However I don't see how it makes all Republicans evil now, as many Democrats seem to be making it out to be.

    Also, though the acts were wrong him being called a "p*d*p****" is hardly the correct term. This guy was 17 right? Pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescent children by definition and this age is above the age of consent for many nations and a 17 year old is capable of having a meaningful relationship with someone.

    Of course, from what I've read this kid really didn't like the congressman's passes so that brings issues of sexual harrasment into play.

    In short: This guy needs to never hold a public office again and was obviously wrong, but the issue is being blown out of proportion and is now just a propaganda tool for the partisan war.
     
  14. Giovanni Rild

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    America is so evil and corrupt to you. Explain one thing to me. French Riots.
     
  15. That NOS Guy

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    *ahem*

    The boy was 16. Which makes him far below the age of consent of 18 with other 18+ adults.

    Let's use some other terms to describe this then if pedo doesn't feel right, shall we? Soliticing sex from a minor. Attempting to entice a minor into an illegal sexual act. Statutory rape. We can go on with this.

    The reason this is being used as a partisan tool is because it's goddamn true. The Republicans have based their platform off of "values" and fear mongering for the past six years. This is yet another ethics breach (along with Abramoff, torture, etc.) by the GOP. It's not that far off to reach the conclusion that the party has a serious lack of values and standards as a result.
     
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    There you go stereotyping whole groups for the actions of one again:notrust
     
  17. That NOS Guy

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    Here's a question asshole, where did I say America was corrupt and evil? Oh wait. I fucking didn't. If I were you I'd quit strawmanning and actually learn to read.

    Then again, such dishonesty is hardly suprising coming from the guy who probably/would vote on "values" to support a party who willingly tolerates gross ethical misconduct.

    What do French riots have to do with massive hypocrisy? You rely on this central premise that I idolize the the rest of the world as better then the US (which I don't and have never said, which makes you a liar). Also, which riots, or are you trying to make a blanket run at the mass labor demonstrations?
     
  18. That NOS Guy

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    And I repeat myself:

    Republicans have based their platform off of "values" and fear mongering for the past six years. This is yet another ethics breach (along with Abramoff, torture, etc.) by the GOP. It's not that far off to reach the conclusion that the party has a serious lack of values and standards as a result.

    Find me where I mentioned *just* this as a reason for why the GOP needs a clock cleaning.
     
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    When politicians and political parties stay in power for about a decade or more there is often more cases of corruption, fiscal sloppiness, etc. Cleaning house is a good thing from time to time. (It's sad that there are only two viable parties in the US. I much prefer smaller, more focused parties and politicians than grand all sweeping platforms. It's much easier to clean the political henhouse that way.) I don't say a party or a politician can't be corrupt from the start, but that long running systems need tune ups.

    Anyways, it'll be hilarious to hear how many people in that district don't know that voting for Foley is voting for another candidate. Of course, some people are partisan to the death.
     
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    Guess this would be Ephebophilia then.

    Republicans are associated with creating massive national debt, starting ineffective wars, throwing out international treaties they find inconvenient and tinkering with the interpretation of the Geneva Convention in order to legitimise torture. Democrats are associated with fixing the debts the republicans made and getting Nobel Fucking Peace Prizes.

    And apparently republicans would rather protect an ephebophile and keep him in a job that puts him in contact with kids rather than fire him before he could sexually harrass more kids. They chose to save face over doing the morally right thing. What kind of example does that set?

    And you know what's really annoying? That their response to this incident is to go on air and simply start slinging mud at the Democrats until it degenerates into something resembling a playground fight.

    I don't know what's worse. The fact that their response to being shown up is to try and divert attention onto their rivals or the fact that democrats fall for it.

    Why are people this immature and corrupt in control of the country?
     
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    Ah, but that is only assuming that everyone in the party is morally corrupt.
     
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    As long as he didnt actually molest the kids it's not that big of a deal.
     
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    You are full of shit.

    1. Everybody doesn't support their goverment. I'm tired of politics being done like a football game with one party always trying to get one up over the other, instead of dealing with problems.

    2. Guys like you are only out for you or your politicial group's interest and couldn't give less of a fuck about the welfare of anybody that don't share your way of thinking.

    3. People are individuals. Groups shouldn't be held responsible of a individual's actions, and Groups shouldn't be responsible for the actions of a individual

    4. Religion isn't inherently evil. the crusades were waged by humans, not Christianity.

     
  24. That NOS Guy

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    Is it not wrong to make the point that the leadership of the party allowed this to continue, he's one of three (with many more under investigation) to withdraw from the house for gross ethical violations, and that the party legeslates morally disgusting acts like torture?

    Surely you've got to be shiiting me if you think this is an isolated incident and the Republican party writ large needs not to be held under a microscope.

    The tadpole screams at the Serpent "I'm mighty!"

    Ok, what does this have to do with the matter at hand?

    Prove such. Statements asserting such are not evidence in and of themselves. Nevermind I was a registered Republican until a few days ago. I've long called for house cleaning after Cunningham and Delay, this is too much for me to believe that the GOP has any hope of cleaning itself up for awhile. It's gotten so bad I haven't voted for Republicans in any national stage except for a senator.

    So yeah, fuck your theory.

    If the group is complacent and has knowledge of gross ethical breaches but allows it to proceed it shall be held accountable. The leadership knew, other congressmen knew, this is the third house member to withdraw for ethcis breeches within a year, what don't you get?

    protip: scientology.

    Humans that were overwhelmingly driven and motivated by Christanity.

    By your own reasoning I'll happily note all those great works by Christians don't count towards it's contribution towards society since they were done by humans not the religion.

    Oh and Amaretti, the only Nobel peace prize won by a sitting US president was by a Republican (incidentally the man I love). A certain Teddy Roosevelt.
     
  25. That NOS Guy

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    This isn't my content, but it was asked that I post it here because they'd like to add-in:

    whats more bizzarre is now he is claiming an as yet unnamed priest molested him as a teen, and that he never "touched" a page. Sounds like "i never inhaled"

    It's also claimed that many of his colleagues knew of his activities.

    Foley's/Republicans PR and damage control is going all out for Foley. Of course anything can be spun in a good way when you are willing to lie your ass off about everything

    15-16, as I've heard Foley's team claim, is a strange age for Foley to be molested. You figure at that point it's more like statutory at least. Inappropriate sexual contact with a minor.

    As for those who say Foley didn't make sexual contact, in the real law there just has to be intent. Police don't wait for a man to touch a minor when they suspect that he went some place with the sole intention of sexual contact with a minor.

    Can you imagine the credit Foley has taken or would have taken for saving children from exploitation? Terrible..
     
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    Still can't blame the entire party for it. That's unrealistic. I mean, if that's how you really feel, you should also be holding me responsible for voting these people into office.

    It?s not an isolated incident at all. But it?s not like the Democrats are shining examples of morality either. They?ve had their share of corruption as well.

    I believe Illuminati was saying that whenever something like this happens, the first political party points out the moral corruption of the second party while the accused party states it was an isolated incident and accuses the first party of inciting a witch hunt in a segment that we like to call: Fun with Politics.

    You want to know why? The elections are in a few weeks. With all the scandals involving Republicans being ousted, the Republicans really couldn't afford another one so close to the elections. That's why they tried to keep it hush hush in my opinion. Still, it doesn't change my opinion regarding the Republican Party because I know not every Republican is like that. I?m sorry to see that you feel different.

    They were also motivated by power and greed. Using religion as an excuse just gives you 'the moral high ground.' People have always done great evil and claimed that it was in the name of thier God. Just look at suicide bombers. Do their actions mean that Islam is inherently evil?

    Yeah, good ol' Teddy. Walk softly and carry a big stick. smile-big
     
  27. That NOS Guy

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    Just like I'd hold you responsible if you helped get someone like Hitler (Godwin's law now in effect!) into office. While I'm not comparing the two, the ultimate responsibility for officals that are ethically and morally bankrupt getting into office falls upon those who elected him.

    I don't blame the entire party, I do however look at the widespread issues typified by mulitple and different breaches of ethics by members of it and it's leadership which sat on actually punishing it's members for pulling illegal activites. That indicates a severe problem and it's members have to prove themselves individually. I'm not so kneejerk as to not support a Republican no matter what, but I'm hardly inclined to let them claim they're the party of morality.

    As I said earlier, they need to clean house badly.

    Name something as bad in comparable times. We've had one member of the house get into serious shit, as compared to what, three for the Republicans? I'd hardly cast bricks when in a glass house.

    While I'm certaintly not a "Democrats ra-ra-ra" loyalist they do have the upper hand in removing the stain of corruption lately. Plus, couldn't we just turn around the same damn logic of "it's only individuals" here for the Dems and claim that they're similarrly not having a massive issue of corruption?

    Well, I guess that makes a bit more sense. However, the need to expose and prosecute corruption to the most extensive and public manner is a sound way to keep a credible deterrent against such would-be-doers in the furture no?

    They've known for over a year, three for general behavior. I don't think that holds up particularly well when taken in conjunction with that.

    I've said that the party has serious issues and cannot claim the moral highground on values since they've had several prolific cases of corruption recently, not I'm going to burn every Republican I run across. Hell, my dad's a Republican and he's one of the saner people I know.

    Well, IMHO any religion that dictates gays and atheists be crucified isn't that great anyway.

    I don't know how many times I have had to point out that the only people that would have been motivated by greed and power were the knights, and given that the crusader armies were much more infantry based (read: peasants did the grunt work) and a great many of the knightly orders were monoastic (Templar, Hospitaler, Order of St. John, Knights of Malta, etc.) to claim a small sub-section that could have that ambition of the army constitues the will and motive of it (especially when they're not the leaders) is kind of absurd.

    You could make that point with the 4th crusade, but that still leaves 3 others motivated and directed by the Papal proclimation of Holy War (and yes, Urban II was actually religiously motivated).
     
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    You sir, need to be a Comedian. Hilarious.

    And just FYI, I am independant. and on "most" issues, i am pretty Liberal. I guess i might actually fall under that "hideiously ammoral whackjobs " catagory you so randomly placed me in.

    My boss is pretty much strait conservative, save he hates how much money they spend, and I argue contstantly with him on all sorts of issues... maybe i should try that one on him.

    Truthfully, atm both sides are disgusting me. Maybe i will go vote for a third party next election. we will see. But I alreayd debate this stuff enough at work, no need to do so here with someone who thinks randomly throwign insults around makes him look smart and correct.
     
  29. That NOS Guy

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    Well, given your voting record I can't say there's much to refute the assertion.

    "Don't blame me, I voiced support for a sexual harrasser."

    No need to debate with someone who misspells every other word and tries to look poised either. Good thing the icing (not the cake) of this is me actually, y'know, making points and not just doing ad hominen attacks.
     
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    Actually, I didn't but nice try again. I just recently moved to Florida. I am the military, they move me where they like. I lived in New Hamshire before that, and yes i voted Democrat at the time

    And sorry for having typo's every other word (Wow, that must be like 50 typos in there then... or is that just your random exaggeration acting up again?) But i am posting at work, so i type fast, while doing a number of other things, so dont really go threw and check to fix them up. My apologies.

    Maybe i should stop posting, it must be distracting myself from all the mindless killing i am up to in the military.
     
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