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Rikudou Chakra or Senju DNA?

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by MaruUchiha, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. MaruUchiha

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    I used to assume Obito/Kakashi have Perfect Susanoo thanks to Obito's Senju DNA since Senju DNA apparently turns Mangekyou Sharingan into a fake EMS seeing how it stopped Obito's right eye from going blind, but another user made a good point to me about how their Perfect Susanoo might be thanks to the Rikudou Chakra Obito and Kakashi received.. Or is it something else entirely? What do you think, how does Obito's MS have Perfect Susanoo?


     
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    A combo of plot and rikudo chakra
     
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    the whole Senju dna bit worked for Madara because it was Hashi's DNA which was Ashura incarnate's DNA

    that flesh/dna had Hashi's chakra in it which awakened Madara's rinngegan eventually

    EMS so far only worked with incarnates of Indra which judging by how you phrased it OP it could be actually due to Indra being an Otsutsuki and in some way have Rikudo chakra or O clan chakra due to that

    all be it weaker since Naruto and Sasuke had to still get Hagoromo rikudo boost regardless of having Indra and Ashura chakra separately


    what I am guessing is that EMS in general or MS not going blind and being capable of doing PS is due to Rikudo or rather O clan chakra

    that if you had a O clan member with MS they wouldn't ever go blind and likely also could do PS too


    the MS blind factor might just be the disconnect of lacking that O clan chakra... being too human

    NOTE that when the tenseigan got introduced apparently a pure byakugan with O clan chakra is capable of turning it into a tenseigan

    never blinding MS could be the same principle

    this also applies if you have the shinju tree in some way or form and use that instead of O clan chakra (of course each shinju tree is overly strong and is rinnegan based in principal)


    but then again it is just Kishi winging it with the last few chapters
     
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    Whoa this theory makes perfect sense! This would explain why Indra had a regular MS but could use Perfect Susanoo and never showed signs of blinding or eye strain.. I bet you need both Senju and Uchiha DNA for O Clan chakra and that's why Obito's and Danzo's MS never went blind
     
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    I don't think any ol' Senju or Uchiha DNA would work

    The big bit for Hashi DNA was that Hashi was an incarnate

    Not sure if Obito was becoming blind with his MS since we never dived too deep with him and his Kamui MS until his reveal which eventually lead to his Rikudo mode that prevented the blinding factor

    As for Danzou I am not sure if Shuishu MS was turning blind in the first place since his MS ability was something you could only use per decade or something

    The MS Danzou had wasn't abused and never lost its light
     
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    Why would you even think this when
    • Kakashi did not have any Senju DNA when he used it
    • Kakashi flat out said Obito's eyes were empowered by six paths power.
    :thunk
     
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  7. MaruUchiha

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    Because I thought Kakashi had all Obito's MS abilities regardless of Kakashi having Senju DNA since Obito's Sharingan were possessing him..

    I didn't remember Kakashi saying that..
     
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    Kakashi said "with rikudou's power my eyes are also stronger ".:del

    That's kakashi susanoo, not Obito's.
     
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    well I'd assume so since it has a scar lol

    even though Kakashi isn't an Uchiha but the heck Kishi cares lol
     
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    So you think Kakashi has Susanoo with Obito's eyes but Obito doesn't?
     
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    probably or most likely Obito does

    would it look the same though ? idk Kishi gave it a scar which resembles Kakashi so I am guessing Kishi being Kishi wanted that PS to be Kakashi because "Kakashi of the Sharringan"

    for all we know Obito's PS could just be a gigantic RIN


    would probably have the same powers though
     
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    Why'd you think kakashi unlocked susanoo and obito didn't...
    I'll give you a hint
    Spoiler: Good answer
    it's not Obito's
     
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    That doesn't even make sense, it's not Kakashi's eyes and he's not an Uchiha
     
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    Soo by that logic Kamui Raikiri isn't his either?!?!:gabe
     
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    That's not the same at all.. Raikiri is actually Kakashi's jutsu he created and doesn't need to be an Uchiha for
    :drake
     
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    Sooo you're saying that kamui is Obito's but not Kakashi even though he introduced the doujutsu?!?!:fuck
     
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    Degenerate Rikudo chakra = Senju + Uchiha DNA.
    Pure Rikudo chakra = Indra + Ashura chakra.
    Purest Rikudo chakra = From Hagoromo himself.
     
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    They literally been showing Uchiha + Senju= Rikudou thus manifesting it chakra with out the senjutsu qualities since the danzo fight.
     
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    I just wished that kishimoto explained that a little better. Like why does it require ashura and indra's incarnations?!?!:wha
    Aren't the senju and Uchiha all are descendants???:hmm
     
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    That same idea they later completely contradict by having Izanagi be a Sharingan technique without need for Senjū anything.
     
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    You need Senju DNA too for Izanagi
     
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    Hamura's chakra is also Rikudo chakra by the way

    Rikudo is just O clan chakra

    O clan members don't have sage mode though as showcased with Urashiki's comments

    so they are Rikudo users but not Rikudo sage users
     
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    Or Rikudo chakra may only be tied to the God tree or Hagoromo.
     
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    no because Hamura was also a sage of sixth paths

    they even made it distinct that you need Hamura's rikudo charka to harm his rikudo made stuff on his Moon


    Rikudo predates Hagoromo and Hamura

    it is likely what the O clan is born with
     
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    You may be right tho..

    But don't you think Rikudo power is limited to only Rinnegan and SPSM/SPsenjutsu which O clan can't have naturally without eating the God tree's fruits
     
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    we saw them do things rikudo related even without the rinnegan


    Toneri without any eyeballs does Rikudo related moves and abilities like that chakra absorption ball or making things from nothing



    when he had the tenseigan he also made a bird cage from thin air

    it is safe to say Rikudo is what their native chakra is


    like how Naruto has it without the rinnegan
     
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    Toneri may be a bad example since he is from the lineage of one who has eaten from the God tree. I'm talking Kaguya Otsutsuki before eating the fruit.

    That's by the way tho, maybe a good explanation of Rikudo may come in the future.
     
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    the chakra tree and fruit just gives them even more rikudo buff as well as a dojutsu

    note that O clan members apparently can turn themselves into chakra fruits via a consumption ritual

    which also gives them another rikudo buff

    this wasn't a rinnegan ability either

    so yeah it is interchangeable

    rikudo is what they are
     
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    This you brought up just made me think...
    ..do you think of a possibility of the Otsutsukis being made of chakra (like the tailed beasts) and not real physical beings like humans. Maybe why they can be converted to chakra fruits unlike humans who are just drained of their chakra.
     
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