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Rinnegan vs. Sharingan, Pain vs. Madara

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by Pholist_Flow, Oct 14, 2007.

  1. Pholist_Flow Member

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    Sorry if this thread has been created before, but it's just a thought I came up with.

    If the Rinnegan is the best doujutsu, would that make Pain better than Madara? But from the one scene I remember Madara giving him orders instead... Or does the evolving capabilities of the Sharingan make it better than Rinnegan?
     
  2. Hexa probably Dendi

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    The "most powerful" line was a mistranslation. Jiraiya actually just said that the Rinnegan is the most "illustrious", "noble", "sublime", "lofty", etc. doujutsu.

    It's made fairly clear whose in charge from 363 and 364. Take NJT's translation of 363

    Pain: So... How was Sasuke?

    [Madara]: Not bad at all. He made extremely good use of his Sharingan. Those eyes will be better than Itachi's. The time is ripe. You can bet he's prepared himself, as it won't be long now

    Pain: So it's time to get the kyuubi?

    [Madara]: You do it. As you are their leader, I won't accept failure.
    In 364, Madara just tells Pain to be weary of Naruto and gives another order:
    Madara: That'll be all. Have the other members pick up the pace in their hunt for the remaining Jinchuuriki.

    He's also twice called the "mastermind" behind Akatsuki in the sidetext.
     
  3. Athena Citra Details...

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    The Rin'negan is probably a better eye than the Sharingan, hence its greater illustriousness. However, that does not mean every Rin-negan user is stronger than every Sharingan user.
     
  4. ~ Son of SPARDA ~ Active Member

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    Sharingan has dominated virtually the entire manga, plotwise, while Rin'negan just recently made its impromptu, half-thought-out, thrown-together appearance a chapter or two ago... Think about it, if the Rin'negan is such an "illustrious" bloodline, then why didn't Kishi find it important, or "illustrious," enough to mention before now??? He's clearly spent considerably more time developing the Sharingan than he has the Rin'negan, so apparently he deems the Sharingan to be of more importance; and this greater significance will undoubtedly translate into greater power, than that of the other two eye techniques, within the manga itself.
     
  5. The Pink Ninja Infamous Cocksucker

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    I think is Madara strikes down Pein it'll be when Pein is on the his last legs already.

    Of course I thought the same about the AL getting Orochimaru :sag

    I am, however, sure Madara doesn't dominate Pein. Pein is obeying him for now because he needs him.

    But you saw the way Pein talked. He believes himself a God. Gods don't plan to be a servant for eternity.
     
  6. Odlam Team 7 4 Life

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    This line right here says it all for me

    1) Madara gives Pein a direct command

    2) Madara excludes himself regular Akatsuki membership and makes it clear that Pein isn't in charge of him to the readers

    3) "I won't accept faliure" - does that really need an explanation?

    And yah, he's been called the mastermind twice, and this is shonen manga.
     
  7. The Pink Ninja Infamous Cocksucker

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    Although it should be noted Pein didn't quiver or quake. He got pissed while keeping his cool.
     
  8. Fang Titan

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    Your arugment on the Rin'negan's potential and importance to the story being less then the Sharingan is weak. Pein's character and that of his eyes were being foreshadowed since Part I, held back and weren't revealed until recently.

    Just because the Rin'negan in the story is newer then teh Sharingan doesn't devolve it's importance. And side-text is unimportant, such as Madara being called a genius or mastermind since those are written by the editors of Shonen Jump.
     
  9. Sasuke          

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    He expressed his emotions through the weather :LOS
     
  10. Euraj L I F T E R

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    I don't think it works that way.

    To me, the Rinnegan is the beginning and end of the world and the Sharingan and Byakugan are the eyes that see in between. Think of it this way. The Sharingan and the main plot of the story are the main course of a meal. The Rinnegan is the dessert. It doesn't have to be a part of the main dish, it just has to be good enough to top everything. That's why I think Pain is getting all this ridiculous hype. He'll be in the climax, and we can't have a sucky person in that position.

    Anyhow. The Rinnegan's power is self-evident. There is only one, known user in the world yet he is stronger than perhaps ninety-nine percent of every Sharingan and Byakugan user that have ever lived. I doubt Pain's going to do something self-destructive to the plot like killing Tobi, but after listening to his plans and rereading Jiraiya's description of the eye, I know they're going to have some kind of conflict soon, like Pink said. I think Tobi's purpose is too kick up Sasuke or Kakashi for the final clash that includes Naruto and either the Kyūbi or the Ultimate Kinjutsu with the last Akatsuki members being the propagators of the event.
     
  11. dyrinn45 Member

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    obviously you cannot introduce everything and everyone of importance in the first chapter for it to be powerful, that is a sad excuse.
     
  12. healer81 Member

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    its obvious Rinnegan is the most powerful eye technique. given the experience that pein has through his lifetime, its evident that he has developed his eye technique to at least a mediocre level to high level... otherwise he would not be the leader...
    its silly to stay any other eye technique is stronger when the author of the manga said so..
    I think the author knows more than anyone in this forum..

    people are so silly making speculations in this forum about characters. For the longest time people were thinking the leader was naruto's father or brother or some shit like that with no evidence other than what is coming out of their ass
     
  13. Specter Von Baren A Ghost In The Machine

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    This forum lacks.... patience.
     
  14. Uchiha Q 1718

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    just becouse jiraya didint say that rinnegan was > sharingan directly does not mean that rinnegan is < sharingan.

    we have to wait and see.
     
  15. MS81 Supreme Jounin

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    he didn't say it's the strongest doujutsu either.:wink
     
  16. Kyros Lol, Uchiha

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    More like he was answering Pain's question.

    You're right, but that doesn't make him the leader either, as he tells Pain is their leader, not him.

    Would you accept failure for a major plan?

    A mastermind is the person who thinks up the idea. It doesn't automatically make him stronger.

    On a side note, the Rin'negan is said to be the Tool of God, while the Sharingan is just the copy-wheel eye.

    Tool of God vs. Copy-Wheel Eye.

    Take your pick.
     
  17. Specter Von Baren A Ghost In The Machine

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    I guess you could say the Rin'negan is science because it creates and the sharingan is history since it copies. So that would make the byakugan... what?
     
  18. dyrinn45 Member

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    you could name a jutsuu throbing penis of god, or you can name a jutsuu right hand win of god...name means nothing, just because it has the word god in it does not make it more powerful, it was named by someone who wanted to impress someone else.
     
  19. Spencer_Gator Pain is a god.

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    As of right now we can't tell who is stronger, or which eye is stronger....we will just have to wait.
     
  20. Ginsei This is my cool custom usertit

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    Although I sorta agree with the rest of your post, I have to argue with the "Copy-Wheel Eye" part. It's not only that anymore... It's an eye that can distort space and time, and do more incredible things than just copy jutsus and read movements.

    However, I still have a feeling that although the Rinnegan may be stronger or have better abilities, perhaps just more god-like abilities, it is fodder, while the Sharingan is not.
     
  21. Ookii Kintama Active Member

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    Shit > Fail

    Madara > Pain
     
  22. Sarun ɹǝʌǝɹoɟ loodɹǝʌıl

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    Lets just wait and see!
     
  23. terminus123 Member

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    you know when I first saw the title Rinnegan vs Sharigan, Pein ve Madara,
    I was like, womebodies going to get hurt, let the flaming begin!
     
  24. Mikaveli Head is the answer

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    maybe madara has all of akstuki under a very powerful genjustsu
     
  25. ~ Son of SPARDA ~ Active Member

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    Although, it should be noted that Pein failed to do or say anything in response to Madara's threat, whereas he would have without hesitation if he was really as powerful and bad-ass as everyone is making him out to be.

    You're partially correct; Pain's CHARACTER was foreshadowed in Part 1, but there was no significance whatsoever associated with or even hinted as pertaining to his eyes, and don't say that there was solely because they were the only part of him that were shown at the time because the whole "shadow figure" guise wasn't implemented to emphasize his eyes, but to conceal his identity... No more, no less. And if side-text regarding Madara isn't important, then neither is that concerning Pain, so I hope you remember that if/when they write some laudatory comment about him that ridiculously over-hypes him.

    No, what's a sad excuse is your so-called post... I never said it had to be introduced in the first chapter, just sometime, anytime, before the manga progressed as far as it has. Stop adding words to my post and actually read it before you start trying to pick it apart.
     
  26. Spencer_Gator Pain is a god.

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    at this point u can't tell....who knows its pointless to debate until it is proven in manga.
     
  27. Specter Von Baren A Ghost In The Machine

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    Pein doesn't get rilled up over much. Hidan was bad mouthing him and Pein just ignored it, couldn't the same be said about your precious Uchiha?

    As to you talking about foreshadowing. We didn't hear jack squat about Madara until the fight between Sasuke and Naruto at the valley and even then it was barely anything at all. If you want to argue for foreshadowing then you lose because we have had Pein being foreshadowed since Gaara was being relieved of tanuki.
     
  28. Purgatory Banned

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    Uchiha = Shit.

    Need I explain more?
     
  29. ~ Son of SPARDA ~ Active Member

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    First of all, no, the same thing can't be said about my precious Uchiha, because if it could, then Madara would be the one getting ordered around instead of Pain. Besides, there's a fine line between bad-mouthing and ordering someone; Hidan didn't order Pain to do anything.

    Second of all, whoever said I wanted to argue foreshadowing?? I'm not even the one who brought up the issue of foreshadowing, Shiroi Kiba is, I was merely responding to what he had already said about the subject. Third of all, we're not talking about characters here, we're talking about bloodlines; so when the foreshadowing of Madara and Pain began is irrelevant, as Madara's bloodline (in terms of manga presence) inarguably has seniority over Pain's regardless of when Madara himself came into the picture. Fourth of all, I never gave a specific time and point within the manga at which something had to be mentioned or introduced in order to conform to my acceptable criteria of longevity, so Pain being alluded to earlier than Madara is of no concern to me... They were both still mentioned in Part 1, which is long enough ago for they themselves to be considered as solidly established characters, as far as I'm concerned at least; but, as I just stated, we're not talking about the characters themselves, we're talking about their bloodlines.
     
  30. Jonas Banned

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    Then we have a funny strength-hierarchy here on Narutofan.

    Shit is essentially the strongest deity in the chart. :lmao
     

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