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Robin's Strength

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by PwnGoatVSPandaman, Dec 5, 2018.

  1. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    Is there anything that directly ties Robin to middle trio? I know people started saying it and she's often around with Franky and Brook, but she always absolutely dominated her opponents and she has some impressive feats. I feel like Robin would be monster trio but just doesn't run with that group much and fights weaker opponents despite being strong (jinbei, zoro, and sanji are monster trio now)

    Like she has never outright lost to anyone outside of people like Aokiji and being seastoned, she defeated arguably monster trio leveled people like pell (no wait, he's stronger than whitebeard) during alabasta and she was training with the revolutionary army (which could deal her a huge powerup)

    I feel like Robin is secretly monster trio leveled, albeit on the lower end probably and that she'd make short work of someone like brook or franky.

    Is there anything that proves she's not monster trio leveled? Her feats that I could look up have been super impressive, like the only fight she didn't one hit was monet and she broke her to pieces easily before the fight ended, and monet reformed cuz she is a logia, the only issue I can see is that she doesn't have haki based on luffy's statement (cuz maybe he can sense it or something).

    Like she even fared well against moriah during thriller bark.
     
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    Robin fights least of all mugiwaras.

    The best of her was the team battle vs Ors/Moria.Otherwise,some fodder on FMI and a little part vs Foddermante Diamante.

    Maybe in Wano she gets her first real 1on1 battle(I dont count her fight vs Peruh)
     
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    I mean zoro only fought pica and needed help.
     
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    Yes,only vs Pica...

    And Cabaji,Cat Brothers,Hatchan,Mr.0,Ohm,Kaku,Ryuma and Hyouzou.But yeah,thats only Pica...
     
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    A lot of her pre-ts abilities would lead to breaking people's backs and necks, that doesn't make for a long intriguing battle. Now that she has more variation, I'm inclined to think Oda will include her in more fights.
     
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    I mean the strongest person Zoro has actually fought has been Pica, Cabaji was like high low tier, cat brothers arguably weaker, hatchan was a super low mid tier, same with mr 0.

    Hyouzou is a mid tier homie.

    Pica is by far the strongest person zoro has fought, bobbins would solo the rest of those guys together (with the strength they had in that time period)
     
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  7. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    I don't see her defeating any of the 4 to executif tbh. And she doesn't have haki.
     
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    No she's not monster trio level,mainly because she has no Haki, she's also pretty weak physically speaking. But the way I interprate it, the middle trio now are about the strength the monster trio was pre timeskip. :):)
     
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    But is Shikamaru a supernova?
     
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    Robin vs Orochi..multiple heads vs multiple limbs..do it Oda :neesama
     
  11. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    She's not gonna steal Zoro ADMIRAL LEVEL OPPENENT.

    Ok Seriously she's not gonna face the strongest military chief of Wano. Remember Oda never made her fight 1v1 someone exept Yama from skypea. :giogio
     
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    Robis is - support to all SHs with the fight of low-mid tier enemies. And that's all

    Robin is here not for the fights
     
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    I won't even say that Robin is above pre-timeskip Sanji
     
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    :zaruOne of the most deadliest characters in OP but she just subdues people and bends them over
     
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    She was definitely Monster Trio level prior to Enies Lobby, but she fell behind after that and fell in with Franky and Brook once they got introduced. Also, yes Robin has good feats, but not any better than Franky during Dressrosa or Brook during WCI.

    The term "Monster Trio" currently doesn't mean much anyway since the gaps between the members of that group are so wide.
     
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    Sanji and Zoro are absolute garbage to her in my opinion. Many try to force nonexistent power level biz into this shit, when there's really no need to. She isn't superior to the duo overall but she sure as hell can dominate them in a fight. Pre-TS Robin clutched and was implied to straight up kill Moriah w/ merely 4 arms, someone as durable: w/ something that's nowhere near the collective strength of a 1000 arms/legs/a clone.

    By scaling, it's safe to assume she can effortlessly and quickly make short work out of the trio bar Luffy. Honestly not even Jinbei stands much of a chance.
     
  18. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    At the very moment she moves her hand to invoke the hands zoro may already send a slash toward her from far and the matters end .... He don't need to run towards her like cavendish.
     
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    What happens if Drake, Kid, or Luffy beat Orochi?

    Heck Kaidou might live through this arc, I can see Big Mom dying, Orochi falling out, and Kaidou forced to really watch himself and start taking things seriously.
     
  20. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Drake beating him ?? Why ? What purpose ?

    Kidd and luffy ??? They're both in cell, and they aim kaido. Not the shogun.
     
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    Honestly I have her as bridging the gap between the M3 and the rest of the crew.

    Luffy>Zoro>=Sanji>Robin>Franky>=Brook>Nami>Chopper>=Usopp.

    I honestly think she would soundly defeat anyone in the crew as well, except for the aforementioned Luffy/Zoro/Sanji. The weaker 3 have zero counterplay to an instant spine break, and as Robin was doing her part against Oar's Zombie pre TS-I'd be surprised if she wasn't overpowering Monster Chopper with giant limbs, tbh. Brook falls similarly to Hakuba. Franky is the hardest, but I don't see it going past high diff even with general Franky, as, just like she did with Moria, she can always spawn limbs inside to get to him anyway. Ever since the Mil Fleur: Gigantesco Mano saving the Sunny underwater I've seen it as clear where she's supposed to be.
     
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    Franky > Robin
    Robin > Brook
    Brook > Franky
     
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    I mean we dont' know much about Drake.

    It's a common hypothesis that Drake is actually loyal to the marines, so killing Orochi would be a big play. Plus maybe he has some plot related to this, he clearly wanted to get in kaidou's crew for some reason, so either it'll be a kaidou crippling move or a move to allow the marines an in on wano. The dinosaur beating the mystical snake zoan, then teaming up with kid, law, luffy, and hawkins to fight kaidou. (those are the 5 mentioned by shakky as the ones who made the most noise in the papers upon the supernova introduction)

    With Drake, Kid, and Luffy being the bigger players in the fight, Drake from the marines, Kid as a rival pirate, and then Luffy.


    Actually, with all the players coming in, Drake might be a cp0 agent, left the marines to become a pirate (admirals might not even know) and all to help topple kaidou.
     
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    Based on no evidence honestly, I know you're going for "robin can get her hands on brook who is faster than franky, and franky is too powerful", but not really, robin pre timeskip has fought monster trio leveled characters successfully, heck moriah > luffy during thriller bark. The giant limbs would allow her to bend franky like her normal arms can with weaker people.
     
  25. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    X Drake is not killing or beating the shogun. No I'm not curious about a fight between a "dragon" and a "T rex". Drake seem to me to be a roshukishi style user , while oroshi a swordman. He'll face either Zoro or another samurai.

    Drake on the other hand will face kaido (with helps), but before that I would like if he fights law.

    No he's definitely not a marine cause otherwise kizaru would have known.

    I give him more the portrayal of a revolutionary or a self justice seeker like Ao kiji.
     
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    Yeah, pre-skip .-. Franky pre-TS fought Luffy evenly. Nami in Enies Lobby did some serious damage to Zoro and Sanji. Pre-TS everyone in SHP was looking pretty good in some area in terms of fighting. Thing is, gaps are getting bigger and bigger and there's no proof it hasn't changed for Robin. Especially, since (according to Luffy), she can't use haki.
     
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    You mean like how Cracker faced Zoro? Orochi is also a devil fruit user.

    I know regular swordsman are weak so they have to fight regular swordsman, but come on now, "he has a sword so zoro" is a stupid argument.

    Drake might clash a bit with Kid or Luffy, but he needs a fight. Luffy will probably fight someone before his Kaidou fight, same with Kid. I could see Kid mid diffing Apoo too, they had a slight instigation pre timeskip and apoo betrayed him. Law vs Hawkins.

    Kizaru didn't kill him, he treated him like a pirate in front of other pirates. He could very well be undercover for Akainu or cp0. He was an ex marine, but he's likely still a marine. Dragon has no interest in Kaidou outside of "Kaidou is fucking strong"

    Aokiji is clearly undercover too. I bet the Akainu vs Aokiji fight was staged even and the two get along, it was Aokiji's way of getting merit for his "I'm leaving the akainu marines" when questioned by people like blackbeard.
     
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    The (bracket) represents modes which are transitory and fall in between existing levels or have grounds for the next level. You could argue 4 and 5 are potentially interchangeable. However, I think the SH could put them down.

    0: Luffy
    1: Zoro, Sanji, Jinbe (Hakuba)
    2: Cavendish, Sai, Barto (Shogun Franky)
    3: Franky, Brook, Robin (Monster Chopper)
    4: Chopper, Usopp, Nami
    5: Hardjuin, Ideo, Leo
    6: Orlombus, Blue Gilly, Suleiman
     
  29. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    What ????
    :facepalmed


    Yeah yeah that's cute and all but the fact is you forget something important : storytelling.

    The shogun is one of the vilain of the story. One of the principal ennemy to the mugiiwara. In order to be known as the heros who released the country from it's evil ,the mugiiwara must defeat him at any cost.
    Just like they defeated every arc vilain from the start. Oda is not gonna make the savior of this country a random guy we know little about instead of a SH. Drake is aiming something, probably bigger than we think but NOT freing wano. Why wano over the others ???? In thw same wano he was attacking villagers..... he don't care about wano.

    Luffy is not gonna fight. He doesn't need it. He's arguably the strongest guy there after kaido. Fighting equal or weaker than him wont give him a great power up to face kaido.

    Law vs Drake or VS hawkins is plausible. Apoo vs Kidd too. But if kidd is already near luffy's level I don't see him needing a fight.

    Either luffy will train , either he will receive more help than expected: all the SN , or moria shadows , the whole wano , some new up grade , marco ? ect ...


    He said himself he didn't want to meet kizaru. He was obviously scared.

    If they worked together then he could have fled instead of facing the pacifista.
    Kizaru could have let him run away and aim hawkins instead. Also if he was curious about the pacifista, why attacking them? He only need to directly ask the chiper pool about them. Do you imagine kaku destroying a pacifista for the fun ? Or for gathering info ?(knowing he should know everything about them ... HE himself is a member of the CHP 0)
     
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    The marines taking ownership of taking down the shogun would make for more interesting storytelling than Luffy. He's there to thwart Kaidou, not free wano, but he'll do that.

    Drake hasn't attacked villagers, and Drake is a marine undercover.

    Kid vs Apoo isn't about Kid getting stronger, it's "you were an ally who betrayed me, you're going to get crucified in metal", he'll mid or high diff apoo.

    I mean if Drake is undercover, he can't make it obvious that they are being lenient, or maybe kizaru doesn't know (akainu or cp0 plan?)
     
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