Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by MartialHorror, Jun 5, 2005.
Hmmmmmmmmmm, I don't know if Kimimaro can be beaten...........................................
My my how many threads you make. Mind telling pretimeskip and what everybody's got?
By end of Pretimeskip. Sorry.
Yup! On a roll!
Naruto: nothing usefull against Kimimaro, we've already seen how he'd do.
Sasuke: Chidori is useless against Kimimaro, Katon jutsus would be too slow(Kimi is faster then Lee)
Ino: Kimimaro's speed prevents him from getting caught by her
Shikamaru: If Tayuya can break out, then he can too
Chouji: Relies too much on close range techniques. He's physically stronger with the pills, but it wouldn't matter.
Kiba: he could probably beat CS Kimimaro with the Garouga, but CS2 Kimimaro would prove to be too much
Hinata: close range only, useless against Kimimaro
Shino: he could do some poison tricks with bugs against Kimimaro, but given how he's moved his body on will alone, I'm not sure that would affect the bone master
Yeah, I've got to say Kimimaro has this.
Woah, Naruto berserkmode Kyuubi lv. 2 and Sasuke CS2 and 3 tomoe. Thing is, i don't think Naruto can awaken the same berserk mode against Kimimaro as he did against Sasuke. Oh well, if he has this mode im going with Rookie 9.
Sasuke CS2 3 tomoe
Narutos ultimate berserkmode
Theese ones should do it
well, if they all teamed up. They can stop him and use Ino to take over his mind.............
It's Rookie 9 eh? So it's without team Gai?
CS2 Sasuke + Kyuubi level 2 Naruto + 3 pills Chouji (I'm sure that even with bone defense, a punch like that would hurt) + Garouga + Shadow bind (at least to momentarily hold him in place) + Ino's shintenshin no jutsu + Shino's chakra absorbing bugs = at least they have something to work with. Let Shikamaru figure out the details though.
That said, most would still be killed, but that alone is something to consider: if they're allowed to go suicidal, they'd land a few hits even if it takes them out in the process. But hey.
I made a case for just Shika's five to win against kimi way back when, and I took it back after seeing the anime and not having to rely on just the manga, but now with all nine...
Chidori, rasengen, red pill, bugs, byukugan, ect ect. All of them at once would take it.
Your above logic only works for each 1v1 encounter. If you put it together, it turns out differently. Kimimaro can escape the Kage Mane no jutsu, but it'll delay him, just as it delayed Tayuya ? long enough for Katon to burn him alive? Long enough for Ino's jutsu to work?
I'm going for the rookie nine. Naruto, Sasuke, Chouji and Kiba put together can be quite devastating ? Rasengan, Chidori, Garouga and pill-taking Chouji would all deal damage. Kimimaro is beyond any single one of them, but put together it's just not possible for him.
Kimimaro could use his Tessenka no Mai and Sawarabi no Mai on the whole group of them. I really don't think any of the Rookie Nine can withstand attacks like those, and they work on whole groups of people, too.
I agree that Sawarabi no Mai would certainly deal with most of them (not so sure about Naruto, Sasuke and Chouji providing they've all powered up to their maximums), but I feel that Kimimaro is vulnerable because a) there are a lot of opponents, b) one of them knows Kage Mane, c) one of them knows Shintenshin, d) about 3-4 of them can probably hurt him. I think the most likely outcome would be Kimimaro suffering an unfortunate and early defeat against a Shikamaru-devised trap. I can't see the girls walking away alive though.
Dance of the Seedling Ferns = 9 Rookie Shish-kabobs.
Not much else, to say here...
Imma say rookie nine would win cause shikamaru shadow binding him and chouji eating him cant be avoided
Tayuya broke out of it, Kimimaro would be able to as well.
And if Chouji got close, he could simply stab him repeatedly.
It took Tayuya some time to break out. Shikamaru only needs to get Kimimaro for ten seconds at most and someone can kill him. Kimi is good as dead.
Tayuya took several minutes to break out of it, and was completely incapable of defending herself for that time. Let's say it took Tayuya about 180 seconds (3 minutes) to force Shikamaru to let go. Let's be insanely generous and say that Kimimaro can break out of it in 10 seconds even if he hasn't gone to Curse Seal Level Two.
10 seconds, with his guard down, against Uzumaki Naruto, Uchiha Sasuke, Akimichi Chouji on pills and Kiba, and he's dead.
If naruto can awaken that kyuubi he used against sasuke, they'd have a chance, plus by this time sasuke also has his cursed seal. Then there's chouji's drugs.
are you serious?
Didn't see your post there: funny how we both used the example of ten seconds. ^_^
how biased can you be?
CS2 dark chidori would own kimmimaro
Are you drunk?
The Dark Chidori requires you to get in extremely close to the opponent to do any damage. That's like commiting suicide against Kimimaro. The only way you can beat him is with ranged attacks, which the Rookie Nine are sorely lacking in.
Here's a possible strategy, assuming they're willing to go suicidal:
Shikamaru traps Kimimaro in a shadow bind. With all those people with him, surely he can think up a plan. Even if he can only manage to hold him 10 seconds, it's enough for Ino to use Shintenshin.
Now even if Ino can only manage Shintenshin no jutsu for say... 10 seconds again, it'd still be enough for fully prepared CS2 Sasuke, Kyuubi level 2 Naruto and Red Pill Chouji to give it their all. During that time, with Ino controlling Kimimaro's mind, even if he manages to struggle against her it should hinder him enough to not put up an adequate defense against all That. Of course, Ino would have to stay in there or risk have Kimimaro counter the second she gets out. But hey, it'd be too easy if they all managed to survive.
Of course it'd probably not be that simple, but it should still get the job done, or at least severaly weaken Kimimaro, in time for another super-charged attack...
See Mizura's above plan. That's exactly how it should go. How will Shikamaru get the Kage Mane to be successful, you ask?
Naruto uses Kage Bunshin, and then virtually everyone attacks Kimimaro. In the process, Shikamaru's shadow follows one of his allies, hiding behind that person. Kimimaro obviously sends everyone flying away bleeding and whimpering, but there's no chance in hell he can block a shadow attack he never even had an opportunity to see.
Then queue Mizura's plan.
Wow, you guys muss think Kimimaro is stupid or something.
You do realize that Tayuya was able to overpower Shikamaru, who was in arm's reach. Which means, thats as strong as Shikamaru's shadow bind can be.
Well Kimimaro is much much stronger than Tayuya. ESPECIALLY HIS CHAKRA AMOUNT. He has a 4.5 in Stamina, BASE form. A stronger Cursed Seal. And hell, he is juss plain stronger, let alone if Shikamaru was at a distance to get him, which he would have to be.
Plus, it would seem Kimimaro should still be able to use his Bloodline, even when trapped in that. So I am sure he could spout bones out, or shoot something out of his body to damage Shikamaru. Also lets not forget, Shikamaru would have to sacrifice his life, in doing this.
Dark Chidori... Its juss a fancy Chidori. It is still executed the same way, by Charging linear at him. There is no way Sasuke would be able to pull off a technique like that on Kimimaro. Not with the differences in speeds, and the fact he can stop an Omote Renge.
Itachi stopped a Chidori by grabbing Sasuke's wrist, and redirecting it. Kimimaro can do the same, or perhaps do what he did to Lee, and extend his bones out to stop the arm, therefore leaving the Chidori out of contact with his body.
And are you guys forgetting Dance of the Seedling Ferns? Remember, that move that makes tons and tons of giant Bone Spikes protrude from the ground, covering a big area? A move that even Lee wasn't able to avoid, he could only look on in horror? Ya, that would skewer them all, and if by chance, one of them lived, Kimimaro would morph out of a bone near them and impale them.
Shishou, please read the opposing arguments. You've completely ignored the two posts above you.
Shikamaru held Tayuya for several minutes. Even against Kimimaro, there's no way in hell he could hold him for less than 10 seconds, and 10 seconds is all he needs. He would not use Shadow Neck Bind. He wouldn't sacrifice his life either. The others would slaughter Kimimaro in the 10+ seconds window, and Shikamaru would be fine. Don't confuse Kage Mane with Shintenshin.
Kimimaro can be as smart as he wants, but against Naruto using Tajuu Kage Bunshin and the rest of them attacking, he's not going to see a Kage Bane extending towards him, especially considering Shikamaru could easily hide it behind one of Naruto's clones, or even a few of them. This way, Kimimaro would never even see it.
Once it's landed, Kimimaro is screwed. He can't move, and there's nothing to suggest he could manipulate his bones ? if the Kage Mane prevents him from moving his little finger, what makes you think it just happens to not prevent you from moving anything else? It seems clear to me that the Kage Mane actually prevents exterior movement. It doesn't affect the body, so there's no distinction between muscle movement and chakra movement. It "traps" you, so any exterior movement is prevented. Talking is fine because it doesn't hold you that tightly, nor does it hold you all the way down you're throat. Bones would likely not work.
Sasuke's Dark Chidori will work fine because Kimimaro won't be able to move.
Under normal circumstances, not binded, Kimimaro is still going to be troubled by Sasuke, Naruto, Kiba, Chouji (going all-out with the pills), and even Hinata if she gets serious. Your bias is significant if you really believe Kimimaro can just shrug off this many ninjas as if they were nothing.
Kimimaro can simply use Sawarabi no Mai before Shikamaru gets a chance to use Kage Man. Bang, all of them are dead.
Aaah, but the fact is that he Didn't use it immediately.
Chances are he would when faced with that many opponents. He held it back in his fight against Lee and Gaara because he only had one opponent at a time really, so he could just concentrate on them.
As Shishou said, Kimimaro isn't an idiot. He'd use his best mass destruction technique right away when faced with that many opponents.
1. But he wouldn't.
2. The one-jutsu-wins-it-all obsession really annoys me. Sawarabi no Mai has a success rate of 0%. Ditto Gamaguchi Shibari. Ugh.
3. Lee didn't dodge it, but Lee was tired out and still recovering and useless at that stage. There's nothing to say that a Three-Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke couldn't dodge it, or that a One-Tail Naruto couldn't just tear the bones attacking him apart, or that it would be able to hurt a Three-Pills Chouji, or that Soutorou couldn't take it like a man ? I mean like a wolf ? and return to Kiba and Akamaru still alive.
Still, without Shikamaru around, they wouldn't be able to win.
After a Sawarabi no Mai, the team would be at best Naruto, Sasuke, Chouji, and Kiba.
Those four all use close combat. Close combat isn't a good choice against Kimimaro.