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Saint of Killers vs Lord of Nightmares

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome Archive' started by Giovanni Rild, Sep 28, 2006.

Who wins?

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  1. Giovanni Rild

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    Fight takes place in a dimensional rift between the Saint of Killers's world and Lord of Nightmares's mulitverse.

    The Saint of Killers is pissed after he found out it was the Lord of Nightmares who awakened him from his slumber after killing God.

    Lord of Nightmares seeks the Saint of Killers's annihilation after he nearly killed off all life in her worlds after being awakend.

    Who wins?
     
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  2. CrazyMoronX

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    Saint of Killers shoots, LoN dies.
     
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    LoN is omnipotent
     
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    O Rly?

    So was god, and SoK killed him.
     
  5. Giovanni Rild

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    Not when he was off his throne on Preacherverse
     
  6. Fenix

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    Nope, you are dead wrong. Do you enjoy spreading false information?
     
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    I do.

    He did kill Satan.
     
  8. Giovanni Rild

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    Which doesn't amount up to Lon.
     
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    Lord of Nightmares

    She is the true god, she can just turn his gun into a fish or something.

    Saint of Killers may have killed the devil in his universe but look at difference, Devil/God in Preacher aren't omnipotent.
     
  10. CrazyMoronX

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    Fair enough, but by definition, his gun kills anything, and never misses.

    Unless LoN re-writes his universe's rules (which seems unlikely, as they have their own god who makes the rules) before he shoots.... it's gonna be a win for SoK.
     
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    If anyone knows anything about Preacher, it's me. I have the entire series, plus the specials, including the SoK origin story.

    SoK couldn't kill God when he was seated on His Throne. He confirms it somewhere in the last 3, maybe 4 issues. Jesse had to die in order to lure God safe enough to return to His Throne in Heaven to resume his omnipotence. However, SoK was at the Throne first, having killed the entire Host. I would equate the Preacher God on His Throne as omnipotent.

    Yes, SoK killed the Devil. But I would hardly call the Preacher Devil omnipotent.

    SoK can't kill undead. He shot Cassidy in the second issue, if not third. Cassidy obviously lived.
     
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    Could Preacher kill LoN if he were to attack first?
     
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    Using the Word from Genesis?

    It's possible.

    In the Preacher universe, there were two absolutes -- Heaven, and Hell. Genesis is a third, since he was born from one of Heaven and one of Hell, and consequently possessed the Word, which God was so afraid that he abandoned His Throne and job, and wouldn't return until Genesis died.

    As for affecting the LoN. . . it's possible, like I said, if it scared the Preacher God of His Throne. However, LoN isn't tied with the Heaven/Hell absolutes, and thus could be immune to the Word of Genesis.
     
  14. Giovanni Rild

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    The Lord of Nightmares is the creator deity in the anime and novel series Slayers (known as "The Slayers" in its American video release). Unlike most creator deities in fiction, the Lord of Nightmares ("LoN") is not considered benevolent and very few humans worship her. Only those steeped in the magical arts are aware of her existence, including sorcerers and the Mazoku or "demon race", who refer to her as "the Mother of All". Other names given her include: Lord of Dreams that Terrify; She Who Floats Like Gold upon the Sea of Chaos; The Golden Lord; And L-Sama
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    Background

    LoN created not only the entire Slayers multiverse (including the futuristic galaxy portrayed in Lost Universe) but also the Mazoku themselves and their rivals, the Ryuzoku. Both Shabranigdo, the devil figure of universe where Slayers takes place, and his rival Ceiphied are her direct creations. Some have theorized that LoN did this simply because she wanted to watch gods, demons and mortals contend because it would be amusing, a hypothesis adopted by Valgaav in Slayers TRY in his attempt to remake the world.

    As few humans are aware of the presence of LoN, even fewer actually seek her attention. Only Lina Inverse has been known to directly use the power of LON in spells, and this she does with great reluctance. Spells that call upon the power of LoN are notoriously unreliable, with failure frequently having devastating consequences. The most notable such spell, the Giga Slave, could theoretically destroy the world if miscast. Only Lina Inverse knows this spell and she has so far been unwilling to teach it to anyone else.
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    Appearances
    Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

    Unlike the Dark Lords, whose power is called upon by sorcery, LON is in full control of how her power is used, and can withhold it if she chooses: "Her mind is her power, and her power is her mind." When LoN inhabits a human body, that body glows in a uniform gold color. She is usually portrayed in eyecatches and the like as an attractive woman with long blond hair, carrying a shovel.

    LoN's only direct appearance in Slayers NEXT was when Lina Inverse failed in an attempt to cast the Giga Slave when fighting Hellmaster Phibrizzo. Using Lina's body as a vessel, LoN utterly destroyed Phibrizzo. She then declared that Lina was gone forever, consumed by her power. Gourry Gabriev, Lina's "guardian," was able to rescue the sorceress' soul from the Sea of Chaos. Given LoN's generally capricious nature, however, it is likely that this was the result she had intended all along.
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    The Novels

    The Slayers novels usually feature an afterword written from the perspective of a charatcer referred to only as "L' or "L-sama", who frequently expresses bemused annoyance with the author. Since "L-sama" is also a term used to describe the Lord of Nightmares, it is possible they are the same character. "L" certainly seems to display the foul temper and whimsical temperament associated with LoN.
     
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    Lord of Nightmares all the way.
     
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    The Preacherverse God was immune to SoK's attacks when on his throne. He lost most of his power off of his throne and that's when he was killed. L-sama wins.
     
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    One thing about L-Sama is that She has no form. Only Her consciousness. Her mind. And Her Power. She has no physical presence.

    Using a made thing to confront Her would be impossible.
     
  19. Giovanni Rild

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    Neither does Saint of Killers, if I'm right.
     
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    He does have a physical form.
     
  21. Giovanni Rild

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    I'm wrong then. A mistake
     
  22. Endless Mike

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    Eh, happens to all of us.
     
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    Omnipotency ftw then :oh
     
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