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Sakura Genjutsu

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by doushta, Oct 11, 2006.

  1. doushta Member

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    Seriously... I had only seen sakura doing genjutsu once, and it was "kai" dispel... other than that, i had never seen another one, so what's this "Sakura's Genjutsu" that everyone is talking about ? Even thought sakura is medical/strenght, but still, wassup with 'genjutsu' ?
     
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  2. Mouten one batch

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    She isn't into specific jutsu yet, but her potential is impressive enough to make Kakashi mention it, so I guess it should be Kurenai level in the future.
     
  3. Mintaka Well-Known Member

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    She has the potentail but hasn't shown anything other than the kai.
     
  4. Splintered Active Member

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    What they said, if she trained in it, she could be talented in genjutsu, she just hasn't. She's the "intelligent" type that Jiraiya mentioned, and she probably is able to identify genjutsu easier than mosts, but she has never used any offensive genjutsu. She's only dispelled Kabuto's jutsu (on herself and Naruto) and helped dispell Itachi's (30% clone) genjutsu on Naruto.
     
  5. Grrblt Banned

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    Also seen through Izumo and Kotetsu's genjutsu before the chuunin exam.
     
  6. Hagen You're gonna hear me roar

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    Sakura ?genjutsu? sucks. She has the potential (potential without hard work and training = nothing), but seems that she's more interested in becoming Tsunade's clone than developing some useful genjutsu skills.
     
  7. Mat?icha アナル

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    hmm, yeah she could be one great genjutsu user, but too bad, she isnt one, haha. although i really want her move her ass and do some uber jutsus, be it genjutsu or whatever.
     
  8. Shishi-O Oda Is God

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    well i think that there are 3 types of ninja; ninjustu/ genjutsu/ taijutsu types, even besides element-yin/ yang. there is probably even more crap we don't know about yet.:)
     
  9. Chamcham Trigger 光翼型近接支援残酷戦闘機“エヴァッカニア・ドゥーム

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    I'm figuring she might (key word is might) have developed some genjutsu skills in the 2 1/2 years of training, it's just that she hasn't been in any fighting situation to use it. She "fought" against Itachi (well that 30% sacrifice Itachi) who is obviously above being caught by genjutsu, and she fought against Sasori who was giving them an all out assult. In that fight she had to entrust herself to Chiyo to stand a chance, and to try to waste time hoping to get Sasori with genjutsu, someone who's destroyed a whole area by himself would be a waste of time at best. Other than that she hasn't had a chance to fight. It's not like she's dumb enough to try to take on Oro, with 4 taild naruto running rampant (hell she even got knocked unconscious temporarily by the force...well not the force but his force), and then there was sasuke. She clearly hasn't had a chance to prove whether she knows any or not. I won't go out and say that she knows it or not, but I will say that she's never been in a situation where she's had a chance to show it off. The point where they try to ambush Orochimaru wasn't even successful since I think he knew they were there anyway. Damn I have to check that chapter again.
     
  10. narsaku The Skit Master

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    No, i think sakura jus doent know hack shit genjustsu... even tho shes my godess queen... she dont...

    like... maby after the 6 month training, she will, i can really see that happining... but befgore that.. no... nothing...


    i really wana see her get some moves, i wana see her jiggle her ass a bit... mmmmmmmmmmmm thats hot.
     
  11. Marius 6th Hokage

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    she is a great genjustu users .
     
  12. Zer0_UchiHa Member

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    well it could be that sakura is incredibly adept at using genjutsu techniques right now, however she has been in unfavourable matchups to show it. she fought against sasori, now being a puppet himself, i would assume sasori lack the "key" senses to be affected by genjutsu. she fought clone itachi, obviously genjutsu against sharingan is useless, ditto against sasuke.

    so far she hasnt had an opportunity to use genjutsu, but i would be surprised if she wasnt really adept at it after the time skip, especially with all the reference made to her being a genjutsu type and all.
     
  13. doushta Member

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    so the point is... kakashi says she had the potential to be a genjutsu user at the beginning of naruto at the training... and that she was a genjutsu type at the 2nd time in the training field

    yeah my bad... she used kai twice ....

    ahh, just that, I only watched naruto anime until sasuke fight and started reading the manga at 2nd part and I thought that I had missed something or that the anime changed sakura jutsu dramatically
     
  14. Mizura Meh

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    What useful genjutsu skills?

    Her opponents are the likes of Orochimaru and now Akatsuki. She had the choice between becoming a chuunin medic-nin who could assist and even save jounin-level shinobi against those incredibly high-ranked enemies, or becoming a chuunin-level genjutsu user whose genjutsu could probably be dispelled like nothing by all the opponents that matter.

    Genjutsu is one of those skills that do little to no good, especially against decently high-ranked opponents, unless you're already Very high-ranked in it as well. Even new chuunin Shikamaru could dispell one of Tayuya's genjutsu, and Tayuya had what... 4.5/5 in genjutsu? Something like that.

    Against technique specialists like Orochimaru and now Itachi, it would have been stupid to focus on genjutsu. Smashy-smash may be crude but at least it does damage when it does hit. Medic jutsus are good no matter what team you're in.

    Sakura will likely become a high-ranked genjutsu user Later, when she's taken care of the blunt of her medical training first. But right now, being a genjutsu user would be rather pointless.
     
  15. doushta Member

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    > 1st or 2nd Hokage Eternal Blackness Genjutsu, not useful ?
    > Kurenai's Genjutsu almost got Kisame, but dunno what happened, got dispelled by Itachi ?
    > Kurenai used her genjutsu against Itachi and she almost got owned because of the counter
    > Shika was saved by his shadow jutsu
    > Itachi disabled Naruto but got help by Sakura & Chiyo
    > Sasuke intro genjutsu[if not then what is all those flashy sharingan brush strokes?]

    same with Ninjutsu... no one ever got killed because of all those handseals, except maybe Hakuu with Chidori and Zabuza with water dragon something ?

    But either way... the thread was about sakura's genjutsu... not usefulness, i mean, genjutsu usefulness
     
  16. Khamzul Read over there ->

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    ^"Genjutsu is one of those skills that do little to no good, especially against decently high-ranked opponents, unless you're already Very high-ranked in it as well."

    I wonder how Sakura's genjutsu will be. She certainly will get one. Maybe a counter to whatever jutsu Sasuke/Itachi may be using? I think that is a high possibility. Like Snake>Frog>Slug>Snake kind of thing.

    Itachi has crow's, what is the counter to that?
     
  17. Lion Takemusu

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    Interesting point. Scarecrow? :amuse Birds... maybe doves? But in this case I'd rather go with Sakura leaves(?).
     
  18. kuchiyoseNOjutsu Badass

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    ^Kakashi is the scarecrow, and Sakura is cherry blossoms not just ordinary leaves. :amazed
     
  19. Vata Bang

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    I think Sakura is/is going to be an allround ninja, good for support of all sorts. She is intelligent and has potential to be good in most fields, also genjutsu. I don't think she has focused much on it so far but I could very much see her being good at genjutsu in the future.

    And who said Sakura wouldn't become a "very high-ranked" ninja now when the story is sloowly comming to it's end.
     
  20. Mizura Meh

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    Indeedy. :amuse Notice that those who Have successfully used a genjutsu so far were:
    - a Hokage (Shodai, actually, his was countered, but whatever)
    - an elite Jounin with a doujutsu (Kakashi, against Zabuza)
    - an S-rank missing nin / Akatsuki with a doujutsu (Itachi)
    - a guy said to be on the same level as Kakashi (Kabuto, sleep jutsu. Even then, even some genins managed to resist his technique. =\)

    You Honestly expect Sakura to compete offensively with the above? If you remove Kabuto (whom even some genins could counter), you'd be left with 1 Hokage and two at-least jounin-level doujutsu users. =\ Those are Awefully high requirements to successfully use genjutsu, as far as I can tell.

    And those who have used genjutsu Unsuccessfully were:
    - a bunch of genins (those Rain nins in the Forest of Death)
    - one of the Sound 5 (Tayuya, genjutsu dispelled by a mere new chuunin who wasn't even the genjutsu type of the Konoha 15)
    - a jounin (Kurenai, got owned by Itachi)
    - hell Kabuto. =\

    Now remember people, WHAT was Sakura's Goal for these 2.5 years?
    - to bring back -Sasuke-. You know, possessor of a doujutsu who would just negate any genjutsu she'd try to throw at him?
    - from Orochimaru. You know, legendary Sannin who's a jutsu freak and probably knows 10x more about genjutsu than she could hope to stuff into that head of hers in 2.5 years?
    - with added complications from -Itachi-. You know, the other Sharingan wielder, who might just be the currently strongest genjutsu user of the series, especially after he knocked even Kakashi out with a genjutsu?

    So with that in mind, how Possibly could offense genjutsu have served her for the goals mentioned above? Genjutsu Defense, Yes. And she's shown that. Offensive genjutsu though, imagine her trying to use it.

    Sakura: Genjutsu!
    Itachi: lol.
    Sakura: Damn.

    *later*

    Sakura: Genjutsu!
    Sasuke: ... you do realize I have Sharingan right?
    Sakura: Damn, foiled again!

    The point is that I was pointing out why it would have been utterly pointless for her to focus these 2.5 years on offensive genjutsu, in response to the guy who thought that she wasted time by Not doing so.

    Sakura has all the time in the world to develop her genjutsu potential Later. But she had merely 2.5 years to make as much of a difference as possible. Genjutsu would not have been able to achieve much for the goals She was training for, under the teacher she was training with as well. By training in medics though, she could raise the success rate of fighters much more powerful than her.

    Because she's still a 15 years-old chuunin? :huh Sakura doesn't need to fulfill her potential within the timeframe of the series, because her greatness has already been "guaranteed" by the fact that both Kakashi and Chiyo have stated that she will surpass Tsunade. As such, she doesn't need to prove herself within the series, it'd simply be accepted that she'd become that great with time.
     
  21. sharinganluvr sharinganluvr

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    ???

    When did sakura fight itachi's clone???
     
  22. Khamzul Read over there ->

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    I doubt Sakura will have a genjutsu a'la Senbonzakura from Bleach. Regarding the effectiveness of genjutsu, I would like to add that Kurenai successfully bound Kisame with hers, so there is another example. Personally I consider that the mist ninja's had a sucessfull genjutsu, who would have killed team Naruto (excluding Kyuubi and Kabuto).

    However, ofcourse Akatsuki is on a whole different level.

    My opinion is just that Genjutsu works on someone at the same level as yourself can be very efficient, this also applies when it is at a basic level of genjutsu.

    As your skill in genjutsu and/or your general level increases the chance of your genjutsu to be efficent on higher level enemies also increases. This sounds much like a game, but it's still my opinion.

    But yes, I basically agree with your statement regarding Sakura's Genjutsu.

    The thing I disagree on is the efficiency in general. Now that..
    Spoiler: If you haven't read newest chapter
    Asuma dies(?)
    ..we might see Kurenai having a more central role regarding Akatsuki, possibly training Sakura?

    I think the foreshowing in the manga, suggests that Sakura will develope Genjutsu. So I'm really back to my main question, I choose to disregard Snake's, since the counter is already known (Slug's).

    What is the counter against Crow's?
     
  23. koike88 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't seen anything of Sasuke that's impressive.
     
  24. Woozie Active Member

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    This is because Sasuke needs to magically forget he can do genjutsu so that Naruto has even a little chance of beating him.
     
  25. koike88 Well-Known Member

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    I actually meant Sakura, I'm sorry, my mind played tricks on me.
    I've seen Sasuke doing that kyuubi-talking-genjutsu, and that sharingan-genjutsu-on-sai
     
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