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Sanji vs Pica

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by Mr. Good vibes, Oct 10, 2018.

  1. Mr. Good vibes ZZZZZ

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    It's been a while since this been done so lets see how opinions have or haven't changed.
     
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    Pica mid diffs until sanji comes up with anything with the capacity to take down picas statue faster than he can regenerate it.
     
  3. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    How is pica going to beat Sanji exactly?

    He isn't hitting him anymore then he hit zoro aka not at all.
     
  4. redrum i have no soul lol

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    pica's only hope is to outlast sanji cuz if sanji finds his real body, he's donezo
     
  5. Furinji Saiga The One Shadow

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    Stalemate if Pica is smart, if not Sanji eventually finds him and kicks him to death.

    At this point Sanji has to be stronger then the likes of Pica/Vergo, come on Oda cant shit on him forever.
     
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    A draw based on feat. Although Sanji has much more mobility than Zolo plus his CoO has more feats so I think he can find Pica faster. But how to make Pica pop out of the rock is...I wonder if Hell Memories is enough. From there it depends whether you think Pica is better than Daifuku's genie...

    Sanji has shown Geppou and Soru. I think he will have Rankyaku soon. That combined with Hell Memories would be one hell of a fire air slash technique. That should be Sanji's long-range and go-to destructive move.
     
  7. TrafalgarRao The dude who will change the world

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    Pica mid diff...
    Sanji lack DC and AP to put Pica down
     
  8. DA hawk Well-Known Member

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    Can't sanji locate pica with CoO? He doesn't need to have the DC to destroy the whole mountain form to beat pica by doing so. That's IF there was a mountain nearby for pica to control in the first place.

    S1: no mountain nearby, sanji mid diff at worst.
    S2: mountain nearby, sanji high diff.

    Pica was a fodder who hid like a rat while throwing rock shit that never injured anyone other than average peeps.
     
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  9. Mr. Good vibes ZZZZZ

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    The way I see it Sanji despite his less than stellar performance throughout the timeskip should win comfortably. Sanji has more than enough strength to deal noticeable damage to his golem seeing as weaker character could and while he likely won't be doing any replicating the level of power Zoro displayed like cutting it in half/ to pieces he also doesn't really need that level of power to deal with Pica anyways. Unlike Zoro who pretty much needed to destroy most of the golem with one big attack Sanji has his sky walk which alongside his CoO specialization which gives him a much better matchup verses Pica as Sanji can better pinpoint his location inside such a big structure while not having to worry about closing the distance as he can effectively stay right on Pica and just repeatedly keep striking his golem not giving it any time to reform and eventually locating Pica for him to dispatch of. Without his golem Pica is straight up trash who'd be too slow to land a blow on Sanji as even his full body haki is unlikely to withstand something like a hells memories head on.
     
  10. DiscoZoro20 Ōka Shichibukai

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    Nothing changed for me. Sanji high-diff if Hell Memories is as effective against Pica and his Golem as I think it is and Pica mid to high-diff if not.
     
  11. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Sanji can break his Dressrosa Golem though not as fast as Zoro, Sanji has the mobility advantage though.

    Anyway, once we get to Pica’s real body, Sanji loses. Sanji has failed vs Full Body hardening users twice.
     
  12. Vivo Diez OBEY

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    The consensus is pretty clear that Vergo's full body hardening is above Pica's.
     
  13. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    His CoO is more than enough to locate the real Pica and beat him. Dodging Katakuri is more than enough to not get hit by Pica a single time when the latter couldn't even tag a single coliseum fighter.
    The only problem with Pica is how annoying he really is and all Zoro needed is to reach him and oneshot him. Sanji doesn't need help to reach him with skywalk and his mobility overall.
     
  14. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    Dunno why i quoted you but im on phone so cant fix it :catface
     
  15. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    which is based on nothing. We have no evidence either way. We have mangapanda calling Vergo, Doffy's right hand man but mp sucks.

    Besides, even if Vergo is better on average, Dressrosa Pica is not average Pica.

    Sanji failed twice vs FBH users.
     
  16. Vivo Diez OBEY

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    Because that's Vergo's main thing, his power, his role in the group. If Pica had the same hardening + the power of his DF, Vergo would be severely outclassed and it would make no sense.
     
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    What feats does pica have outside of his fruit anyways? A casual Luffy carrying a bull evaded his sword with complete ease. Got one-shotted by Zoro in FBH. That's all I can remember!

    Surely that's enough to give him the edge over sanji.
     
  18. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Both Vergo and Pica are leagues above Diamante and Trebol so that's irrelevant
     
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  19. Vivo Diez OBEY

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    You missed the point completely.

    Diamante, Trebol, Pica all have their devil fruits. Vergo's thing was his Busoshoku Haki, so much so that Doflamingo, Ceasar and Vergo himself pointed it out.
     
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  20. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    Pica pointed his haki out too, enough to where he thought he could still win even after seeing Zoro destroy his Golem.

    Doffy and Caesar never had a chance to comment on his haki.

    Daifuku has a df AND never commented on his haki, yet he still made Sanji look silly
     
  21. Vivo Diez OBEY

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    Eh, more so it was his best chance to get at Zoro at that point. He didn't have much choice.
    It's like you're ignorant of what the author is specifically pointing out for you lmao.
     
  22. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    He didn’t treat it as his “oh no, this is my only hope”, he legitimately was extremely confident in his haki. The same way Vergo was before he too, got one slashed
     
  23. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    I do think Vergo’s haki is better but not enough to matter here. Sanji took the L vs 2 FBH users, he’ll take the L here too
     
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    Makes no sense, that's like saying Zoro took 2 Ls Vs gun users, so he'll take an L against Capone.

    Just turning black isn't enough to put anyone above anyone else.
     
  25. xmysticgohanx Zoro > Law

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    it makes sense when we have only seen 3 users and Sanji lost to two of them. Especially since we have nothing else to go off of.

    Gun users are way more common and don’t require any sort of mastery to become one.

    You need a specific level of mastery to use FBH
     
  26. TrolonoaZoro An artist with a Katana.

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    Zoro and Sanji are not equivalents. I don't see Sanji dodging a town level attack.
     
  27. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    You're right they aren't.

    Sanji is faster then Zoro.

    Sanji can fly unlike Zoro

    Sanji has better COO then Zoro
     
  28. TrolonoaZoro An artist with a Katana.

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    2 of those things are wrong.
    And how do those things imply he can dodge a pica slap?
     
  29. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    None of those things are wrong actually.

    Sanji has better speed feats, and coo feats then zoro does.

    How could a fast individual who can fly and has CoO dodge attacks from a slow ass golem. God i have no idea. :leo
     
  30. TrolonoaZoro An artist with a Katana.

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    Zoro's short bust speed from pre skip (dodging light speed paws) unironically shit on everything Sanji has done in the canon.
    How do you even measure a coo feat to be better than another?

    We hav future sight>normal coo.
    But how does one one normal coo become better than other? Not to mention there is so many elements to coo. I don't ever recall Zoro messing around because his coo wasn't strong enough? So you're saying coo feat from sanji is better? which?

    You're saying Pica is incapable of ever tagging sanji in a fight with his statue? lol
     
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