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Scáthach vs Cu

Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by BossKitten, Aug 11, 2018.

  1. BossKitten Member

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    Lancer vs Lancer.

    So I seen a lot of threads talking about how Cu is top tier as a servant, and that stars in FGO don't mean anything, which made me think of Scáthach.

    Is she stronger than Cu (Lancer)

    if so, what about Cu (Beserker)? I know he was supposed to be stronger in the game, but he also had access to the Holy Grail at that time.

    So how does this go?
     
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  2. Gemmysaur The Onii-sama

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    Medb had the grail iirc. Cuzilla took her down with his beast mode np taking her by surprise, as she did not teach him that. Iirc, she was superior otherwise.

    Regular Cu gets schooled by the one who taught him everything. Proto Cu even more so.
     
  3. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Proto Cu might actually do better than his older self since Stay Night Cu had his power split between his forms. Proto Cu's only gimp was his Master not letting him use GB for some reason.
     
  4. Fang Titan

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    Pretty sure Cu Alter actually did but either way, he was being externally amped and even then failed to kill Scat.
     
  5. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Iirc, Cu got possesion of the grail later in the story when Medb kiced the bucket. He used it to rapid ascend to maxx in the last chapters of the story.
    For what is worth, she says that Dino Cu surprassed her even before rapid ascension but yeah Cu only won because she didn't know about Curruid and got shanked before deploying GOS.
     
  6. Jag77 Henshin!

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    Is Lancer Cu's gimp stuff at a constant?

    Are you saying Lancer Cu was beating on Saber Artoria, Archer Emiya (Twice) and Hassan with extremely low power from usual?

    That's pretty wild if that's the case.
     
  7. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Kinda but for different reasons. In Stay Night he's gimped by Fame and by having a crappy master . In GO , because summoning works under a different system, his power got split between his different versions.
    Not "extemely low power". He's not at 100% but he's also not at 10% or something like that.
    He doesn't get compared with King Arthur and Heracles for nothing you know....
     
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  8. ChaosTheory123 Bored with This

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    Yep

    Only thing Cu Alter had before Medb kicked it was Medb's wish he'd be a King equal to her going for him

    He was in no way amped beyond that (though you can assume the wish probably gave him power = to Grail Medb at least)

    In that sense, I suppose you could insist Cu Alter got the equivalent of 2 Grails by his final fight with you though *shrugs*

    Even then, Curruid didn't actually kill her anyway
     
  9. Karnasunman New Member

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    Its true that Cu wasn't in possession of the grail during his fight with Scathach, however he is still boosted.
    The grail actually gave Cu Dino extra powers, despite not having it yet. Remember when Nero Bride attempted to defeat him by using her NP, her np barely or didn't affect cu alter. Then Medb explained that her wish made him unstoppable or something like that. So yes, Cu Dino already had boosts.
     
  10. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Ok ? Have i said that he wasn't boosted or something along those lines ? I said that he didn't get the grail untill later.
     
  11. Karnasunman New Member

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    Not the only reason. Curruid might have been weaker without boosts; and scathach, despite being injured might have been able to continue to fight with gate of skye opened. Gate of Skye will rapidly drain out his mana without the boosts or possible kill him instantly. Or his gae bolgs might not have withstood scathach's gae bolgs without the boosts.
     
  12. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    Talking out of your ass is nice and all, but we do things here based on evidence.
    Also, Cu Alter would have not existed without Medb's wish for a "king Cu' . An unboosted Cu Alter would not exist.
    Also, whose dupe are you ?
     
  13. GiveRobert20dollars Alphascape

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    "Is she stronger than cu lancer"

    >Cu can't kill her and says she keeps getting stronger in his her interlude

    HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

    I WONDER
     
  14. saint rider 890 Well-Known Member

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    But Lancer Cu kick Scathach in her second interlude and Extella link too .
     
  15. Jag77 Henshin!

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    Well yeah but wasn't he also super gimped after facing Gil for 12 hours?
     
  16. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    After facing Gil for 12 hours he was dead.
    He ded.
    :drake
     
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    Cu didn't kick Scathach in neither tho :mjpls:
     
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    If by super gimped you mean that he returned to the throne then yes
     
  20. Ultimate Deathsaurer <b>Nightmare of Zi</b>

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    Only source I can find on her second interlude has Cu saying she was holding back and the entire fight was pointless since it was in her mind and finally her convinced Cu will be the one to confront her as an equal someday. He's still not there yet but that should be a clear indication of how much potential Scathach sees in him.
     
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    You do know that in one of the interviews, Nasu Kinoko said under normal circumstances Cu alter would be weaker yeh?
     
  22. TYPE-Rey No, not that Rey.

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    [/QUOTE]
    Would you be so kind as to post that shit, Dupe-kun ?
     
  23. Jag77 Henshin!

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    Whoops, didn't mean after. I meant /during/
     
  24. Jag77 Henshin!

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    Also yeah Scathach is just Cu but better (So far)

    He's got tons of potential which may surpass even her but atm Cu can only make his Sensei proud before ultimately getting his ass beat.
    Talking about Lancer Cu btw.
     
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    Hmmm, so where does Scathach rank overall if she is a better version of Cu? Is she around Arjuna's or ozymandias tier, a little lower/higher?
     
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    Ozy smacks her. Arjuna's more than likely superior too, even if there's not too much of a gap.

    Scat ranks in Altera and Artoria's grade, in my opinion.
     
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    Arjuna got told to back off by Cu Alter cause he’d be at a disadvantage and offered no retaliation in response

    Plus links has her above a peer to the saber crew
     
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    I'm 90% confident Scathach would kill Arjuna.
     
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    This actually makes me happy, lol. I barely started the story with him and the "Lion King" and really like Ozy so far.
     
  30. Sablés Well-Known Member

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    Arjuna was bogged down for most of America because of his baggage with Karna. Both Cu and Medb acknowledge Arjuna had no will to fight anyone else and questioned how efficient he and Beowulf would be. Even Scat tells him to step off because his arrows didn't have any weight (heart) to them.

    I put Arjuna above Scat because his toolkit, parameters and feats are better on paper. On the other hand, I put Scat with Altera based on their interaction in the former's trial quest, with Scat calling Altera beyond bad news.
     
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