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Serena Williams: Cartoonist denies US Open depiction is racist

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  1. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    I disagree with all this buzz, because this guy is a carricaturist. To complain a carricature of someone doesn't look flattering is blatant foolishness.

    Especially this bit

    Mind you I am not commenting on the acts of the umpire who seemingly has been acting in a biased way in the past. I am simply showing how people are calling a carricaturist racist because he drew a carricature.
     
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  2. RemChu † This Wicked Tongue †

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    Tasteless.
     
  3. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    If you mean the strip then yes but saying it's racist to carricaturise a black person in and of itself is kind of an issue in my book.
     
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    this fall under freedom of expression

    ..
     
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  5. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    This ones about the outrage over the cartoon and plus it would just get burried in the other one.
     
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    Yeah, the Mr. Popo lips are iffy, though I give cartoonist a lot of leeway the same as comedians.

    Let him off the hook, Charlie Hebdo had more crass depictions.
     
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    He's also made other similar carricatures too and no one complained then.
     
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    Oh what would I give to be a black woman with Asian ancestry who was some time ago looked and winked at by a white man.

    Oh, the charges I could file. Oh, the money I could earn.
     
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  9. Death Certificate Well-Known Member

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    It's a lot more than the lips, her muscles exaggerated and why is Naomi drawn as a white woman?
     
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    it is racist.
    the depiction clearly similar to those racist era drawing
     
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    So its racist to exaggerate the muscles of a muscled individual in a carricature ?

    Also no idea about the other one, maybe he just didn't know who the other person was ? No idea.

    So it should just be banned to make carricatures of black people ?
     
  12. Chie Well-Known Member

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    "Exaggerated."



    She's not. Her skin tone is darker than the umpire's, and she had blonde dyed hair.
     
  13. Son of Goku Doesn't need a Custom Title

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    Exaggerating features is essential to carricature, or else it would just be a drawing. Though I'm not sure if he exaggerated her muscles.

    She isn't. Just because she has a blonde ponytail and a bit lighter skin than Serena's depiction, doesn't make her white.


    EDIT: Great, Chie... :pek
     
  14. Chie Well-Known Member

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    Great minds think alike.
     
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  15. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    Oh did she have a blonde ponytail ? Didn't notice that in the photos.
     
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    Her muscles are drawn to remove any femininity from Serena, while portraying Naomi as a normal women. In an age of smartphones everywhere that's a shit excuse


    Yeah no
     
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    But she's not as juackd as Williams so that's not a valid criticism
     
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    so it is ok to draw black people like ape/monkey

    good to know
     
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    Yeah no.

    The carricature is about Serena in case you haven't noticed, the others are just background characters. The umpire looks nothing like Ramos and Osaka is kept very basic.
     
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    People are just grasping at straws

    In fact as far as caricatures go, that one is really mild.

    She wasn't drawn like a monkey, at all. If you're talking about her jumping; it's obviously because she was acting like a spoiled child, the pacifier right next to her (which you would've noticed if you paid attention but judging from your posts you clearly haven't) should give that away. As for the muscles, yeah that's what Serena is fucking known for. It's a caricature, an over-exaggeration of one's features, grow the fuck up.

    And it's like Son of Goku said (to all the "BUT WHAT ABOUT OSAKA" comments), she was neither the centre of attention during the game or was intended to be anything but a background character in this cartoon.
     
  21. Chelydra Devour them all.

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    The same reason a majority of Japanese anime characters could pass themselves off as Europeans or Americans? Or any other pale ethnicity?
     
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    big lips, big muscle, jump pose like an ape. it looks like an ape to me. idk if or why you dont see i that way.

    about baby/childish behaviour. i never seen a kid jump in frustation/throwing tantrum.

    usually they sit and cry.or rolling on the floor. but never jump.

    and i've seen many monkey/ape jump when mad
     
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    Are you saying the cartoon isn't as jacked as real-life Serena?

    Are you blind Osaka is literally drawn as a blonde white woman. That's far from basic

    I can't tell if you are being serious with that example

    Throw a darker shade with reddish lips, and that cartoon would like something from the jim crow era
     
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    It seems you just want to bend fucking reality so it suits your incredibly narrow view, either that or you're actually that ignorant. Both are saddening.

    She has big lips herself (which gets exaggerated because >caricature) and the thing she is known for in tennis is her strength, her muscles more than any other female tennis player (again, gets exaggerated because >caricature). If someone has a massive nose it gets exaggerated. That's how caricatures work.

    Jumping in frustration exists, yes... And it's almost always attributed to kiddy behaviour, that along with the pacifier right next to her should give it away.

    And that's not the case so again, why are you grasping for straws?
     
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    I honestly don't think it's racist. Probably a bad choice of colours or didn't think that far ahead.

    The rest of it could be that the cartoonist only read the headlines and never researched what the other two looked like. He was only doing a characature of Serena, not the other two. So he only looked up what she looked like. really bad form for a political cartoonist.

    I mean, he could just be bad.
     
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    People only see what they want to from this.
    What matters is intent, So unless this artist has allegations in the past of racist behavior/actions.
    We should always assume the best.
     
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    It's obviously an insulting caricature, I don't think I'd call it racist though.
     
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    He exaggerated her actual facial features, I see no body hair or tail to indicate any other intention.
     
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    Maybe it's you who's racist?
     
  30. Deathbringerpt Dreamer of Possibilities

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    The only racist shit about this is even implying that a caricature - a tried and true style that has been used to shit on *everyone* through exageration- is racist.

    We truly live in times where fucking drama queens thrive.
     
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