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Serious muscular vs deku

Discussion in 'My Hero Academia' started by sabre320, May 5, 2018.

  1. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    This time muscular is completely serious bloodlusted and focused on killing deku from the start with no distractions. How ill the match go?

    Bonus Scenarios:

    Current todoroki vs non serious muscular

    Current bakugou vs non serious muscular

    Full power dark shadow takoyomi vs muscular
     
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  2. OS The Entity

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    if we're talking normal odb rules he still loses but if we talk in the anime plot he kills deku
     
  3. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Normal odb rules ? If he was bloodlusted and serious without any distraction he woudk never have given deku the chance to come back and gain an opening. With these conditions how would obd rules change that>?
     
  4. OS The Entity

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    obd rules they are like 10-20 feet apart at their strongest.
     
  5. Tayimus Number One

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    Wait, WHICH arc are we taking Deku from for this fight?
     
  6. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Lets assume there are two scenarios deku from the forest training arc and second with current deku.
     
  7. Extravlad Well-Known Member

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    Currently reading the scans and not totally up to date with the manga but if It's Forest Training Arc Todoroki/Bakugou then they get murdered by Muscular 1 on 1.

    As for Deku I don't think Muscular being distracted played that big of a role, however remove Kota from this fight and there's no way Muscular loses it,
     
  8. Tayimus Number One

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    Forest Training Deku gets murdered. Almost instantly. Current Deku, I'm more inclined to believe he wins, but with a LOT of difficulty.

    Muscular wasn't distracted. He wasn't serious for most of the fight.
     
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  9. Extravlad Well-Known Member

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    Na I'm pretty sure he's speaking of him being distracted from crushing Deku when Kota used his Quirk on him which allowed Deku to start pushing him back
     
  10. Tayimus Number One

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    Yeah, that's what he's talking about, but the way you worded your sentence makes it seem like there were other distractions besides that instance. You can't say being distracted didn't play a big role but say that taking Kouta out of the equation ensures Muscular's victory. That's contradictory unless you're talking about other distractions.

    Ooor I just completely misread your comment. I dunno.
     
  11. Extravlad Well-Known Member

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    Taking Kouta out of the equation ensures Muscular's victory because he was the reason why Deku could push himself so much even though he was outclassed.
    Kouta's distraction didn't play much of a role but his presence absolutely did.
     
  12. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    Otoh Deku had to jump around protecting Kouta... so the advantage that Deku had to only concentrate on himself and dont have to drag Kouta around would be big enough than the disadvantage of Muscular being serious would give.

    If Deku could dodge Muscular after he went serious while dragging Kouta around with 2 broken arms, he should be able to do the same right at the beginning healthy.

    Also I think Muscular is far less agile in his big mass of muscle form he took when he went "serious mode" and his attacks are more straightformard and less controlled.. hell, he stuck into the wall for a bit for being too excited and crashing into it with too much power. and lets not forget by the time of the final clash with Muscular Deku had both arms fucked, so if it would have played out differently, with not broken arms his power output would have been higher.

    at the end of the day it all comes to down into Deku being able to muster the willpower for the final comeback, because he would have to go beyond 100% either way to win, but I think give it to Deku.

    Non serious Muscular would murder both Bakugou and Todoroki... or they would just do well enough to make him serious Muscular and THAN murder them.
     
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    No Kota = no One For All "1 000 000%" power boost.
     
  14. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    Also even with the 10000 percent deku he would never be able to overpower muscular if he didnt recieve an opening to make space and push back against his crushing assault.
     
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    If it's current Deku without having to worry about Kouta he should still take the W. Training camp Deku was at 5% with no techniques or options. Now with Air Force he can at least fight at long range and he should be a lot faster/unpredictable. He will still need to sacrifice an arm for the Detroit smash to Muscular face.

    A non-serious Muscular might get frozen early by Todoroki but Bakugo and Tokoyami both get destroyed.
     
  16. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    eh, who knows... it all depends on how the fight is written. also if he starts the clash with healthy arms, he might have more options, like how about two 100% with both arms at the same time? we dont know what % 1000000% actually was, like we know in wasnt actually 1000000, might have been like 150% if we compare its power to his 100% punch. Muscular also confirmed his second 100% punch wasnt as strong as the first.

    also without Kota he might not take Muscular head on, but try to hit him from the side after he hit a wall or something? the whole point of the clash was to not Muscular pass him.
     
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  17. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    Air Force is weak as fuck though... it took like 3 of it to bring someone like Gentle down. It wouldnt make Muscular flinch.
     
  18. KOBA235 Well-Known Member

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    Well Deku would still have to use 100% at some point. But he'll win at the end.

    Full power Tokoyami probably will win to, this already was discusset once.
    Todoroki and Bakugou are wor complicated questions, simply because we didn't se tham in a serious fight for a while.
    But Todoroki's ice was strong enough to restrain Nomu, so Muscular shouldn't be a problem, especially if Shouto will use fire too.
    Bakugou will probably use his AP shot to mutilate Muscle's limbs, then finish him of with howitzer impact.
     
  19. KOBA235 Well-Known Member

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    Gentle had a power of love don't forget.:ufdup
     
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    OBD = Outskirts Battledome

    What you're effectively stipulating is that Muscular is bloodlusted while Deku is IC (In Character), in which case Muscular would stomp.

    However, when both are of equal state of mind, things will be different. We saw the result of when both are IC in the source material. If both were bloodlusted, the result wouldn't change and Deku would still rape.
     
  21. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    We saw that if both were serious deku would not have been able to find the opening to push back against musculars overwhelming force . The only reason deku managed to comeback in the power struggle was because kota distracted him with the water gun and in that moment muscular let up a little on his force this gave deku an opening which he exploited to push back.
     
  22. Kellogem Well-Known Member

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    only one time, he shrugged off 2 before the love powerup, and then a 3rd one hit him loved state.. also its not confirmed love state gives him enhanced endurance, just power.
     
  23. blackguyinpinksuit Well-Known Member

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    100 percent full cowl deku beats muscular
    Nighttime tokoyami beats muscular

    Shoto and bakugou both lose against serious muscular. Bakugo only got one move that can put him down but doesn't have the speed to land a clean AP shot let alone many. Shoto has the defense to keep muscular at bay but i'm not sure if he's packing enough offense to keep him down.
     
  24. sabre320 Well-Known Member

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    So current full power tokoyami is stronger then bakugou and todoroki?
     
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    We don't know the power of "current" todoroki or bakugo but i'd wouldn't put my money on them being stronger than tokoyami's endgame.

    Dark shadow disposed of moonfish with one arm like he was an afterthought. Bakugo and shouto would have to actually try to beat moonfish seeing as he was dodging all of shouto's casual ice attacks like stain while keeping him on the defense at the same time.

    Can't see anything less than giant ice wall putting moonfish down right now. Bakugo would also need a howitzer impact or max power explosion to put moonfish down since moonfish has maneuverability on par with his and won't really be affected by stun grenade. Full power AP shot is too slow to steadily aim at a guy like moonfish who constantly suspends at all kinds of crazy angles while pushing himself around.
     
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    Yes and no. Deku only went 1000000% in-verse after he got pushed back like you say, but we're talking about if Deku goes 1000000% from the very start. We've seen Deku one-shot muscular from a disadvantageous position in that state. If both started in neutral, the result would end even more in Deku's favor.
     
  27. KOBA235 Well-Known Member

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    Back in the days Bakugou wa a bit faster than 5% Deku, current Bakugou is probably faster. Todoroki's ice was strong enough to hold back first Nomu, Muscular is a joke compere to that thing.
    We know that both of them are natural counteraction to Tokoyami's Dark Shadow.
    They had wounded with them, and it was clarified in the episode that they couldn't fight because of a flammable environment. In different circumstances Bakugou and Todoroki would easily defeated Moonfish.
    Bakugou still has auto cannon, for situations like this.
     
  28. Kor Well-Known Member

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    BL Muscular stomps the first three, probably loses to FP Tokoyami.

    BL Deku loses because he is only at his best when he is able to think and plan around his enemy weakness and tactics.

    Current Deku with 20% probably lasts longer but he’ll get pushed to 100% again.
     
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    What makes you think Deku can go 1000000% without having Kota to protect? He was pushed so far because he wanted to save Kota, on his own he'd have probably died miserably.
     
  30. Roman Chariot

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    What makes me think Deku can do it is because we're stipulating both start out bloodlusted in this match, which isn't the same as IC (in character). Perhaps OP should be clear on the fact that they start with different mindsets where Muscular is bloodlusted and Deku is IC.
     
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