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Shikai = Pointless?

Discussion in 'Bleach' started by Jaggerjack, Oct 11, 2006.

  1. Jaggerjack -\_(o.0)_/-

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    I mean for real? nowadays, Shinigami are fightning opponents much above your every day hollow. Everywhere its BANKAI!!! BANKAI!!! BANKAI!!! i mean, in some of the arrancar Fights, they used their Shikai's for some time, But without Bankai their asses would be toast.It just seems as if once a Shinigami Reaches Bankai, it seems like their Shikai becomes incompitent.
     
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  2. bobo Super Awesome

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    For regular captains, Shikai is kinda pointless but for guys like Isshin and Kenpachi then its another story.
     
  3. slashez Member

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    isnt that the way like every shonen manga goes though. The main characters all achieve a supreme level of power that up intul the time of the manga is entirely unheard of. Its just like dbz, there was what, 1 super saiyan in god knows how many millenia of the saiyan race? Then after goku achieves it, every character with a tail in the series and their mother all become ssj, even achieveing unheard of levels like ssj2-ssj4, its just cause after the characters become so powerful, theyre not gonna fight at a weaker level, theyll just about always have to go to their strongest potential, otherwise their fight wouldnt be difficult, thus wouldnt be enjoyable for reader/viewer
     
  4. Giorno Giovannax Connor >>>> Superbitch Prime

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    I don't think shikai is useless since Yamamoto probably has one of the strongest or the strongest shikai in the bleachverse and so does Aizen but that's because they're that strong.

    The power level of the enemies have gotten so high that now, for most mid-level shinigamis, bankai is the only way to go because of the benefits it gives such as added reiatsu and also increases the zanpunkto's power five to ten times greater and also of the fact that many techniques can be created from it like Byakuya did and Hitsugaya is doing.

    I see shikai re-appearing but only with the strongest of the shinigamis and maybe vaizards and Urahara and his friends, since Urahara was owning Yami with his shikai but for the others, bankai is just a better option than shikai and I alwasy preferred bankai over shikai because of its benefits and also that it is an expansion of the shikai.
     
  5. blazingshadow True Wind Rune

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    shikai is useless? tell that to rukia, soi fong, yamamoto and aizen.
     
  6. Reik Banned

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    He's saying that if a character reaches bankai, their shikai becomes obsolete for that character if you compare it to the bankai. I agree.
     
  7. Wesley Guess who it is!?

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    Yeah, Ichigo didn't even attempt to fight Yami and Grimmjow with his Shikai. He just busted out the Bankai the moment he had to fight. Hitsugaya's Shikai is probably totally useless at this point, while his Bankai makes him look stupid, but at least he tried using it before anything else.
     
  8. Sasori-puppet#02 Delicious Burger

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    I'm thinking that bankai uses up WAY more energy/reiatsu than shikai.

    And even for uber-captain leveled shinigami like Byakuya, shikai isn't meaningless because sometimes, bankai is just overkill. There was no need for Byakuya to use his bankai on Ganju when they faced each other on the bridge outside Rukia's cell.

    It's like using an elephant gun to kill a fly (exaggeration) but you get the idea.

    For a while in the manga, Ichigo couldn't control his bankai because his inner hollow would try to take over sometimes, and his body couldn't handle the strain that well.

    And if you want to think along those lines, you might as well say unreleased zanpakuto are more useless than shikai.
     
  9. Uzumaki Yondaime Narutard

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    Shikai is only pointless for the weaker characters because they need bankai to hold their own. The stronger guys might not even release their soul slayers, or just go shikai at most to toy with their opponents. Look at Urahara vs Yammy.
     
  10. lunovis New Member

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    @RamenRasengan: Byakuya didn't use Bankai on Ganju, only Shikai, and tthat wouldn't have been necessary...

    And like some of you said, it's like every Shonen Manga out there, when there exists something better, the old stuff seems not to exist anymore...But I think it depends on the experience of the wielder, maybe Byakuya or Yamamoto could defeat an Arrancar or a weak Espada with just his Shikai...
     
  11. Hitomi =^● ⋏ ●^=

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    Urahara's and Aizen's Shikai makes you more eager to know what their Bankai like?! :wtf

    And what's up with Ikkaku using his Shikai on another Arrancar!! to think that after his first encounter with an Arrancar and almost dying he would actually use his Bankai from the start!! No he gets beaten to a pulp by Luppi, even Matsumoto tried something and she didn't even have a Bankai :notrust
     
  12. Jh1stgen Active Member

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    Yeah Ichigo's shikai isnt effective anymore ... and niether is his bankai~ >_<
     
  13. omg laser pew pew! is feeling greedy

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    Infidel

    Isshin needs no shikai
     
  14. HugeGuy ϟ ϟ ϟ ϟ ϟ ϟ ϟ ϟ ϟ

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    Not really if you consider the fact that some shikais differ greatly from bankai. Take Mayuri for example, his bankai would've kill everyone in one go but his shikai paralyze people which is useful if you want to take someone alive.
     
  15. Jh1stgen Active Member

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    I wonder how Mayuri would flare against an Espada ... both his Shikai and Bankai are very effective~ Unless u r immune to it, which is unlikely bc only Mayuri and the VC are~
     
  16. CM Pope The Holy Father

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    Hitsugaya's Shikai couldn't even freeze Yammy....

    Ruika's Shikai froze and held Grimmjaw for about 30 seconds.... Yet it also WTFowned D-Roy and that sandy monster.

    Shikai's are all well and good but look at it logically that Ichigo could sense the reiatsu of Ulquiorra and Yammy and went Bankai. People are going Bankai against them because;

    1. Previously they've had a limit on them (1/5th of their power)
    2. The enemies have been Espada or Espada-level (Wonderweice?)
     
  17. omg laser pew pew! is feeling greedy

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    It wasn't so much a case of Rukia freezing Grimmjaw more a case of her simply encasing him in ice
     
  18. Sasori-puppet#02 Delicious Burger

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    Yeah I already know that. Did I say that he did? I only said that there was no need for him to use it.
     
  19. The Space Cowboy Unfair, Unjust, Human

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    Were you reading that Chapter? Ikkaku has his own reasons for not going Ban-Kai on Luppi. I'm sure if Matsumoto and Hitsugaya weren't there that he very well may have Ban-Kai-ed Luppi.
     
  20. Orofan On a quest to master all Jutsu

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    Um I wanna see Kenpachi's Shikai!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  21. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Its about only using as much power as you have to. You never reveal all your best moves to your opponent unless it is absolutely necessary, otherwise you risk someone learning your moves and devising a counter.

    Now in captain+ level battles you would have to be a god among gods to fight with just shikai, but the vast majority of shinigami and battles are not that high in level.
     
  22. FrostXian Messiah With An Attitude

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    Are you dense? Hitsugaya's bankai looks AWESOME, second best divine looking after Byakuya's final attack.
     
  23. omg laser pew pew! is feeling greedy

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    Ichigo's bankai looks wayyyyyy cooler

    Byakuya's is pretty tight as well

    Compared to his shikai, the wings look pretty un-spectacular
     
  24. Mukuro Death B4 A Million ?

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    That'd depend on whether he can cut through their skin.
     
  25. Jh1stgen Active Member

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    True about his Shikai, but ...

    Bankai it really doesnt bc since it is in the state of a gas, no need to cut to inject poisin
     
  26. Mukuro Death B4 A Million ?

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    The Espada aren't affected by the gas cos they all have holes.
    Okay, you got me...
     
  27. Jh1stgen Active Member

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    So u mean a normal hollow with a hole is immune to his bankai? :lmao

    xD
     
  28. Mukuro Death B4 A Million ?

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    Nearly choked on cider reading your response! :rotfl :rotfl
     
  29. omg laser pew pew! is feeling greedy

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    You're laughing at him laughing at you?
     
  30. Mukuro Death B4 A Million ?

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    *looks at wrist watch* You're finally with us. :) :laugh j/k
     
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