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shikamaru, sasuke vs shino, neji

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by mayumi, Jul 8, 2005.

shikamaru, sasuke vs shino, neji

  1. shikamaru, sasuke

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  2. shino, neji

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  3. draw

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  4. sasuke chidori's them all and goes to fight kabuto

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  1. mayumi

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    who do you think would win? this is pre-timeskip, without sasuke cs lv 2.

    do either of the teams have teamwork capability or is team work even required?
    shikamaru, sasuke
    shino, neji
    draw
    sasuke will chidori them all and find better opponents at orochimaru's place i.e kabuto :smile-big
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  2. Insipidipity

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    Sasuke and Neji are really good about figuring out what other people are thinking(re: earth prison and shuriken thrown at Zabuza).

    Shikamaru comes up with better plans. Plus he could use Sasuke to trick Neji into being caught in the Shadow Bind a la using Katon to keep Shino back and have neji dodge his way into being caught. Then Sasuke would light up Shino's bugs with his Katon.

    With a strategic weapon like Shadowbind to hold the opponent in place, and an offensive arsenal like chidori and katon jutsus, they have a big advantage over a somewhat strategic weapon of bugs with just close range jutsus like Kaiten.
     
  3. Core

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    Neji has Byucagan, the chances of him getting caught by shadowbind are very low, and Neji can alert Shino where the shadow may be. Neji is an awesome taijutsu fighter, and Shino is an awesome long range fighter, they make a great team, they are both smart.

    Saskue is well balanced in close and long range fighting. The only thing Shikamaru can do in this fight is make plans, and it's not like his opponents are idiots. Shikamaru and Saskue don't have enough strength, and the power from a Neji-Shino combo will overwhelm them. This is a very unrealistic fight though, because Saskue would never fight with Shikamaru if he has the curse seal, that is after he betrays Konoha.
     
  4. Takagou

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    Shikamaru/sasuke definetly. Shikamaru uses shadow bind, sasuke goes in for the kill. Granted, the bugs are a bit of a nuisance(sp) but im pretty sure sasuke could just throw shurikens at them, since they are basicaly sitting ducks under the shadow bind o-o;
    I mean..I dont think byakugan would really have too much effect on a shadow bind o-O Neji has great vision, granted, but there are ways to get around that.
     
  5. Insipidipity

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    I didn't say he'd walk right into it, I'm saying he'd fall into it. Kinda like how Kankuro forced Sakon into the puppet. Even if he saw it, he'd be between a shadowbind and being incinerated. You also pay a lot less attention to shadows on the floor when someone is firing giant balls of fire at you. And giving commands to shino's also gonna be hard.
     
  6. Core

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    This is basicly a Saskue with Shikamarus brain vs Shino and Neji, the only thing Shikmaru can do is shadowbind, and the only way he has landed that on people is when they dont see it creeping up on them. When you have someone who can see everything, shadowbind becomes useless. And Saskue is not strong enough to take Neji AND Shino.

    EDIT: Ok, so Neji is somehow lured into a trap even with Byukagan because Saskue is blasting fireballs at him, meanwhile bugs come up behind Saskue and cripple him for the rest of the match. Now it is Shino and Neji captured vs Shikamaru holding(which will go away in 5 minutes) and Saskue out. Who will win?
     
  7. Insipidipity

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    Shino can't see everything, and I really don't think Neji can talk to him if he's kaitening to block Sasuke's attacks.
     
  8. Takagou

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    o_o Id like to say he is strong enough to do that personaly, but ill grant that itd be a little too damn hard even for him.

    Sasuke AND shikamaru are geniouses. They both are experts of strategy, Sasuke knowing how the other person will think, shikamaru knowing how to use it against them. Its isnt always about brawn, but brains. I frankly dont see how Shino and Neji could get shikamaru and sasuke to stand still long enough. Shino is a terrible close range fighter, while neji ONLY is close range. Since they have opposite abilities, they wouldnt really be able to work together on the battlefied too well. Sasuke Can go either way, and shikamaru is long distance. Neji wouldnt last in a long distance battle, and sasuke could take advantage of that.

    They set up a few traps, make it so neji only has one logical place to land to avoid gettin hit. He lands on the shadow, which shino, without the byakugan, has already been trapped in. Sasuke then runs in for the kill.
     
  9. Core

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    Read my edit, we posted at the same time.

    Shino will be at a distance and thus harder to capture than someone close up. And if Saskue is constantly blasting away he at Neji he will run out of chakra. I believe Katon takes more Chakra than Kaiten. (but i could be wrong)

    EDIT: still posting at the same time.
    Who said that Saskue was a good tactical thinker? He should be a horrible tactical thinker. He usually works alone and usually thinks as others as burdents. Shino uses more tactics than him. Shino can also set up traps like the others.
     
  10. Takagou

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    Oh yes, cuz im sure sasuke is so un-aware of his suroundings as to not notice the trillions of insects, potential assassigns, around him. He graduated number 1 in his class just for those lack or awareness problems o_o;
     
  11. Core

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    Edited my last post too.

    I am saying he is unaware if he is spamming fireballs, or he is forced to stop spamming em and then Neji will not fall into the trap.

    EDIT: I'm curious if Shino can put bugs on different parts of his body to see behind him if anything is sneaking up on him.

    And Neji with Byucagan falling into traps, most people who are being lured into a trap by attacks see 1 or 2 escape routes and that is a trap. Would Neji be able to see many more, and determine which is the trap and not choose that one?
     
  12. Insipidipity

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    He can really spam fireballs at 2 people at the same time. Especially with Shikamaru helping him watch. Its not hard at the rate he spams them. He spammed an entire field of kage bunshins.
     
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    lol Shikamaru and Sasuke would pwn Neji/Shino within 20 seconds.
     
  14. lekki

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    Shikamaru's ability is useless in this fight.
    Both Neji and Shino can attack Shikamaru even when bound. Neji can kaiten his way out, Shino can just attack with his bugs.
    Shino has also been shown to be just as smart a tactician, playing excellent mind games against Kankuro. Neji is not too shabby in the mental department either.

    Sasuke has excellent taijutsu but Neji has the best taijutsu and Sasuke has yet to learn sharingan's best purpose, genjutsu on the fly.

    In fact, Shino alone can take Shikamaru and Sasuke. The reason being, the bugs aren't a jutsu so I don't think sharingan will be seeing through anything they do and with enough to spare, he can go after both Sasuke and Shikamaru the man at the same time.

    It was bad to have 2 people that don't require help to get out of the shadowbind in this fight. Also, how did you expect Neji to get tricked into stepping on what will actually appear to him as a bright streak of chakra as opposed to a dark shadow due to his byakugan?
     
  15. genjo sanzo

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    how the hell will Kaiten get Neiji out of Kagemane? It require HIM to move in a fast speed. If he can't move, he can't do Kaiten. Breaking out of Kagemane requires huge amounts of strength to overpower it, not speed of a circular motion. He wouldn't be able to move because the Kaiten does not start of with some amazing strength boost.

    Sasuke has Hosenka no Jutsu AKA he can shoot multiple fire blasts. Shino's bugs would be fried. Like he won't see their movements, even without sharingan if u pay attention its not hard to see thousands of bugs coming at u.
     
  16. Takagou

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    Lmao, thats beautiful XD! *rep*

    No seriously, people are giveing the battle basicaly to JUST neji, for JUST his byakugan. The sharingan is just basicaly a different FORM of byakugan, not a 360 thing, but it would copies neji AND shino's movements perfectly, and he'd detect the SWARMS of bugs comeing after him. And once again, the buggies cant attack if shino and neji are dead, since they were trapped in a bind, and sasuke quickly slit their throats, or fried their asses o_o
     
  17. MartialHorror

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    Shikamaru would try to work with Sasuke, who, sorry, is an egomaniac...............................

    Neji is a bad matchup for Sasuke cause all he has to do is disrupt the chakra flow and Sasuke has nothing left and Shikas shadow cant do anything to the bugs.
     
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    Shika would give up and leave.

    Shino wouldn't fight Sasuke.

    Neiji and Sasuke would duke it out and then who knows what will happen.
     
  19. Core

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    Shikamaru can be taken out of this fight quickly and easily. All Shino has to do is send a swarm up bugs to Shikamaru while Neji keeps Saskue busy, Shikamaru has no defense against it. Shikamaru's shadowbind will be far harder to use against these 2 than most opponents. Neji can see the shadow and will not fall to it easy. Shino is a long range fighter so the shadow will go farther, and often pulls tricks himself. As someone pointed out Shino can still fight even if binded.

    Both Neji and Shino have abilties to cripple their opponent for the rest of the fight, make them unable to do something after 1 attack.

    Also, we do not know how resilliant Shino's bugs are, they might not burn that easy. They do eat chakra after all.
     
  20. NarutardKK

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    They're teamed up fairly decently. Having a short-ranged and a long-ranged fighter on each team. Shika is barely a short-ranged fighter, he wouldn't be able to do anything unless he has time to think about it. And if Shika tried to relay anything to Sasuke, he wouldn't listen cause he's too stuck-up.

    In order for anything to happen on Sasu's team, would be for Sasuke to go after Shino, while Shika takes on Neji. I don't think Shino has much against Sasuke. A couple of Katons and all his bugs are destroyed. While Neji has the advantage over Shika. I doubt Shika would win against Neji for the fact that Neji has speed and is a Hyuuga. So Shika goes down, either that or flees.

    Neji begins studying the fight between Sasu/Shino as Shino's getting his arse kicked. Shino goes down which leaves Sasuke and Neji.

    *really boring monologue*

    Sasuke has more speed which would mean Neji couldn't close his chakra points. And I doubt Neji's whirlwind could deflect the Katon, so then down goes Neji after a while.

    And yep, Sasuke wins which unfortunatly means Shikamaru wins too. :amuse

    Edit: Yeah, good point Coredin. We don't really know what Shino can do so....that kinda leads up for much different opinions.
     
  21. Geji Mayu

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    Hmmm... let me make a general analysist before I go more indepth.

    Shino > Shikamaru

    Sasuke > Neji

    Neji >= Shikamaru

    Sasuke >= Shino

    Ok, the fight would most likely go like this (At least in my opinion, rep if ya like) *Note: This fight is in a meadow with more than a few trees.

    Now, Neji would most likely face off against Sasuke. Shino, being a wonderful tactician, would direct Neji. Neji and Shino would make a good team because Neji is a worthy subordinate and follows commands completely. Sasuke, however, itsn't the best team player. Although he works good with his team, it is mainly because he is calling the shots. Sometimes he listens to Naruto, but his late change in personality, being more agnsty(I think its spelled like this?) and aggressive, would not follow Shikamaru's orders fully. Shikamaru wouldn't have the patience to deal with Sasuke, so would try to help him as best he could.

    Shikamaru is the weakest link in this battle. Although he is smarter than the others, not but much. He is pretty much on equal level with Shino. Neji and Sasuke conpensate with their Bloodline Limits, who cancel Kage Mane completely. Although he is quite good, Shikamaru would be taken out first.

    Now, Shino would be smart enough to realize it. He send Neji take out Shikamaru as quickly as possible. Sasuke would try to stop him, and Shino would square off against Sasuke to give Neji time to fight him.

    Neji now rush up to Shikamaru. Shika would use his Kage Mane to try to get Neji to move out of the way. Neji would comply, moving out of the range of his Kage Mane. Now, there are NO holes in this fight, mind you. Shika would analyze the Byakugan figuring out its 50 meter limit and its 360 degree vision. But, unfortunately for him, his Kage Mane doesn't extend more than about 15-20 meters. Neji would rush in and try to move around the Shadow, but he would not get close enough to fight him.

    Now, Shino knows he is in a disadvantage against Sasuke. Sasuke can move away from his Bugs. Plus, whenever he sends them in large quantities, he can roast them with fire techniques. Shino, looking across, sees that Neji is at a disadvantage as well. He tells them to switch. As he moves away, Neji rushes around to fight Sasuke. Shino as well, turns to run to fight Shikamaru. This is Sasuke's opportunity.

    Sasuke's eyes flash. "Sharingan!" He places his hand out. "CHIDORI!" He then runs forward, going to hit Shino. Shino looks back, but is too slow. He puts a bug wall, but this doesn't do much to stop the Chidori. Chidori hits Shino, but his body explodes into bugs.

    "Now!" Neji screams. Shino runs out of a tree, sending a wave of bugs into Shikamaru. Shikamaru is prepared for this. He knew Shino was up to something, so he throws home made bombs he had in his pocket to the bug wave, blowing them all up. Shino throws two kunais at Shika, which Sasuke blocks. Now Sasuke and Neji face off. Both go into a brief taijutsu fight, Sasuke's taijutsu versus the Jyuuken. Both dodge the others hits. But, as the skirmish continues, Neji seems to land a couple of hits. Sasuke moves back and does Gokakyuu no Jutsu. Neji kaitens the technique. Sasuke then runs in with a kunai in hand. Neji takes one out and both fight some more.

    Shino now faces Shikamaru. Shika knows he must put Shino in the defensive, or he won't stand a chance. He sends out his shadow, making Shino move out of range. Shika rushes forward, makign Shino run around. Shino now realizes that he doesn;t need to run. He places his shuriken and kunai holder on the same leg as Shikamaru and rushes forward. He is cought but, his bugs still move forward. Shikamaru takes out a kunai and slices the bug clouds.

    "It's over, you know it." Shino says. He then has a whole cloud of bugs approach them.

    "Hmmm..." Shikamaru, realizing he is outmatched would do three of the below.

    1. Quit
    2. Try to fight, but lose.
    3. Takes out some bombs to kill them both. But, this Shino is also a bug clone, so Shika only dies.

    Now, I will kep this short for those who don;t want to read this crap.

    Sasuke goes Curse Seal, increasing his speed and everything. Neji sees this and shivers. "It is the same power..." He thinks. Neji then goes all out, hitting Sasuke a couple of times as he rushes in close range. Sasuke now has an idea. He does chidori (his second) and waves it around like a sword. Neji is put on his heels, moving back. As he moves out of range and Sasuke runs in, he uses kaiten, thinking to make Sasuke hurt himself, and hoping Shino is done fighting Shika. But, his Third Tomoe on, Sasuke moves back right before kaiten is used, then moves in with a Chidori.

    "Gotcha!" He hits only bugs.

    Shino, now finished fighting, pulled Neji back right before Sasuke struck, placing bugs in the way just in case he came to late.

    "Hnh...that lazy guy lost already? Damn, I must now take on two strong opponents."

    At this point, Sasuke is down to have his chakra, maybe less. But, he has more stamina now than Neji, because of the Curse Seal. Shino has the most.

    Sasuke goes on now, moving back a few steps because Shino is sending bugs around him like long arms. Sasuke throws three kunais out into the the wave. One hits Shino, showing him that its another clone (Yes, Sasuke can see through his clones, but he hasn't been paying to much attention before this and now is). He then goes and uses Hosenka to destroy the wave. He is then met with 8 offenders, 7 Shino clones and Neji in the front. He takes out two windmill shurikens and destroys two clones, but Neji and the rest come out. He is constantly dodging them all thanks to his Sharingan, and he is now more agile than Neji because of his CS. Neji lands one hit, which Sasuke counters with a punch in the mouth. The Shino CLones wrap their arms around Sasuke's left arm, which he then goes to punch on in the face. He then moves away, dodging a Neji kick. He throws one of the clones into Neji, which Neji runs through. Neji wuns through dodging two kunais.

    Neji then thinks of a way to win. He graps Neji by the arm. Sasuke then stabs him in the arm, which Neji then slaps him in the chest, making him cough out blood. Sasuke cannot move now, being held by Neji. Bugs come from evrerywhere, wrapping them in a globe of bugs. Sasuke does Hosenka, but is cut short with a punch to his face. He then spits in Neji's eyes. Neji lets go and screams. Sasuke now stabs Him in the chest with two kunais and is about to finish him off, but a Bug wall blocks the final blow. Neji jumps back, in sever pain.

    Sasuke analyzes his chances. He doesn't have much. Shino proves to be a valuable ally, constantly blocking and distracting him. Neji proves to be a hard challenge. He then thinks to finish this. He does his final Chidori. He loads it up and runsstraight at Neji. Neji is ready. "Kaiten!"

    Miraculously, Chidori stops the flow of the kaiten and meets Neji in the chest. Neji laughs. "Just as he thought," He replys. Sasuke give shim a curious look, but then realizes his mistake as he sees Neji holding his arm and his kunai pouch explode with bugs latching onto him, sucking away his chakra.

    "Nicely done...Shino." Sasuke moves back, screams, and faints. Neji smiles, seeing Shino standing next across from him, his arms out with bugs flowing out of his arms, surrounding Neji's wound. Smiling, looking up at the birds, Neji collapses as well.


    *Sorry for the long post. Fanfiction is fun! ^_^" *
     
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  22. NarutardKK

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    Testing, Testing, 1, 2, 3? Hope this works, Mayu. :S

    Edit: Yes, it did work, Geji Mayu, you are a genius. I bow to you, lol.

    Good job on it by the way. Would it be okay if I used your story for a Flash fan-anime sort of thing?
     
  23. Geji Mayu

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    Sure, if you think its good.
     
  24. Insipidipity

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    Stay on topic guys...and Shikamaru is seriously not "equal" to Shino in tactics. Shino plans, but Shikamaru really and truely strategizes. His ability is between Kankuro and Shikamaru. He combines more trickery with less planning but it's inferior compared to Shikamaru. I know he didn't get his chance to shine, but even jounins were impressed by Shikamaru's thinking. They might've at most liked Shino a little.

    Another thing is that Kage Mane is non physical. And If Neji jumped, his shadow would move as well. Remember, Shikamaru doesn't need his shadow to touch the person, just their shadow.
     
  25. Geji Mayu

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    I know that now. I still think Shikamaru is out classed completely by Neji and Sasuke. Shino would put up a better fight however, since he will most likely take out Shika first, then have his bugs fight his battle and interfere between Sasuke and Neji. He would keep them in a close range area so Neji would have the advantage.

    Whatever, its just my theory on this.
     
  26. Core

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    Very nice fight! But what the hell, does Sasuke have acid for spit? :S
     
  27. genjo sanzo

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    lol that was pretty good, except seemed more like a fan fiction fight than who would win through skill, that would be pretty cool tho
     
  28. Geji Mayu

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    If your eyes were completely open, then getting a huge lugy in your eye would mean like 3 time the amount of pain. He sees 360 degrees, so 360 degrees of pain. Plus, it would hurt me to be spit in the eye.

    Plus, he was bleeding from his mouth...so blood in the eyes.
     
  29. Insipidipity

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    "opinion" - theories are plausible general principles offered to explain phenomena.

    Anyways, Shikamaru is out classed in fighting ability, but remember what the jounins said? If he carried out his plan by a team, they would've completed the mission. Shikamaru doesn't have the pure skill to beat Neji or Sasuke, but put him on a team with one of them and its over. Neji would try kaiten, he'd be in one place long enough for the shadow to bind him then shadow choke or Sasuke would finish him. And the #2 rookie would not beat a chuunin and the #1 rookie.
     
  30. Core

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    Too bad he is teamed with a Ninja who probably has the works teamwork skill of all the Konoha ninjas.

    Also I am curious if anyone knows exactly what got powered up by Sasukes CS lvl2. All I noticed was increased endurance and a super charged chidori.
     
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