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Shin Is Shisui

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by MaruUchiha, Aug 12, 2018.

  1. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    -An Uchiha?
    -Resembles Shisui
    -Looks like he survived a freak accident
    -Wants to kill Sasuke for killing Shisui's best friend Itachi
    -Wears an Akatsuki robe in honor of Itachi
    -Has Sharingan never seen before implanted
     
  2. fuff

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    Ur a little late on this "theory"
     
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  3. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    I've thought this since the day that chapter came out, not late at all
     
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    Yes but it got concluded...
     
  5. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Care to "conclude" it? :kobeha
     
  6. Platypus Moderator

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    The fact Shisui's name was never even brought up and Orochimaru said Shin was just some dude who obsessed over Itachi and not an actual Uchiha pretty much concludes it.
     
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  7. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Orochimaru probably didn't know it was Shisui. I assume Orochimaru found Shisui's half dead body unaware of who it is.. How would Orochimaru even know if he is an Uchiha or not? And why would he randomly be obsessed with Itachi of all people?
     
  8. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    But neither he or any of his clones have koto......
     
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    cause shisui doesnt look like shin jr :doge
     
  10. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Orochimaru implied to have Shin since he was a child. Shisui also lacks the universal donor capability that Shin had which made him unique.
     
  11. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Uhh he doesn't have his eyes either how would he have Koto?
     
  12. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Can you provide a proof of this? I'm not doubting you, i just never remember Orochimaru saying that
     
  13. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    His clones would have his original MS.
     
  14. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    You just asspulled that.. That's never stated to be true
     
  15. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    Do you not understand how cloning works?

    If you dye your hair, a clone wouldn't come out with your new hair color.
     
  16. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Why would they have his exact same eyes and same abilities then?
     
  17. Ultrafragor Well-Known Member

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    I'm really not sure where I'm losing you in this cloning thing.

    Clones of Shisui will have Shisui's eyes and Shisui's MS, not whatever transplant is in Shin.
     
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    Speaking of which, look at all the damn eyes that were in Shin and Danzo.

    There must just be a convenience store underneath the Uchiha graveyard.
     
  19. NW Well Known-Member

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    Yeah plus Danzo was said to have Shin's right arm and Ao said the chakrola in Danzo's right arm was Shisui's

    Kishi really trolled hard with this

    Seems like he changed his mind at the last second or something
     
  20. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    It has been translated in a way that insinuates that Shisui's chakra was coming from both the eye and arm, but Ao didn't actually say that. Ao pointed out the peculiarity of Danzō's arm, likely due to the face formed from the cultivated Hashirama flesh that was used to graft it to his body, which we could see the Keirakukei of in that very panel, THEN he noticed Shisui's chakra emanating from the eye.
     
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  21. Takaya Well-Known Member

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    Noooope. He's not even a real Uchiha. Just a storage space for Sharingan thanks to his one innate unique trait, his body's ability to not reject things implanted into it, which is why it was used for Danzo's arm. He acquired an Uchiha obsession and decided he was one.
    Because he was kept by Orochimaru, who was obsessed with Itachi. It's not random when you consider he would almost certainly have heard Orochimaru talking about his own Uchiha fetish incessantly while working on giving him Sharingan.

    And Shisui was recognisable. Orochimaru, who has experimented on people to the point of death, would not fail to recognise him even if he was all battered up. Especially when Orochimaru says he experimented repeatedly on Shin and unlocked the secrets of his genetic code - he is in a position to know a lot about Shin...
     
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    Oro explicitly said Shin is an experiment and not an member of the Uchiha.



    Every translation points to him referencing the colour of all 3. Unless we think Shisui spent 10+ years waiting for Koto to reactivate...
     
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    wasn't shisui gave all his eyes; an eye for itachi and an eye that is stolen from danzo.
     
  24. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Once again then why would they have Shin's same eyes? That's not the case here
     
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    When did Ao say that? And by chakrola you mean chakra right lol?
     
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    That's my point, that's why Shin has a pair of Sharingan never seen before
     
  27. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    Shisui apparently took part in the 3rd Great Shinobi War and awakened his Mangekyō Sharingan during it, seemingly just short of a decade before he was getting ready to use it on the Uchiha Clan. So, maybe he did have to wait nearly ten years before he felt his dōryoku recovering. Perhaps his Genjutsu gained such infamy due to him using it a couple of times during pivotal moments during the war. Regardless, I've discussed with you in the past how there could have been ways in which Shisui ascertained Kotoamatsukami's thresholds, and how those translations have erred at least twice; and I'm not playing this song and dance with you again.
     
  28. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Koto wouldn't have obtained a reputation if he could only use it twice. That doesn't make sense, the main 3 jutsu gained reputations due to having multiple users.

    Can you provided a link showing why those translations are all incorrect? That would be better than just saying "they are wrong".
     
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    I think one of the simplest explanations is that in the Naruto universe, 'ten years' never seems to actually mean ten years. Everything happened 'ten years ago' even if those events contradict each other or established timelines, so when a character says 'ten years' instead of eleven, twelve, sixteen or whatever I've taken to assuming they just mean 'several years, number not fully defined.'

    That or it takes ten years to recharge while in the head of a bird summon, but Shisui could do it more often because they were his own original eyes? Danzo used Hashirama cells to be able to use one Shisui eye something like daily, maybe 'being in the original owner's head' is another condition that lets you use it more often? Or the fact that Shisui had two eyes affected it? We did see that Kakashi and Obito using Kamui together made it twice as fast with the two eyes, so maybe having both eyes also affects the Koto cooldown or something.
     
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    Itachi clearly referenced the Doujutsu itself saying having Hashirama's chakra is the only way around it.


    We also have Ao stating that Danzo's eye, shoulder and arm hold the same chakra colour as Shisui. This tells how how Shisui got around this limitation:



    I don't typically except the "its wrong because" argument unless there is something concrete to suggest that there is an error in the translation.

    Now this can be settled if we happen to have a raw version of the page.
     
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