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Shunshin speed: Base Minato or Shisui?

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shark, Sep 14, 2018 at 7:51 PM.

Better shunshin?

  1. Minato

    71.0%
  2. Shisui

    29.0%
  1. Shark Ikimasu yo

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    Who has a faster shunshin? Minato can't use SM.
     
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    IDK who the faster shunshin, but who's more skilled at it is probably Shisui.
     
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    What would the superior skill entail other than superior speed?
     
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    Minato has both feats and hype while Shisui's hype doesn't seem to be higher than Minato. So, minato is faster for me.
     
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    Yellow Flash has betters feats
    • Faster Shunshin than Hashirama, Tobirama, & Hiruzen by a decent margin
    • Saved his wife from 100% Kurama's descending paw (SM Naruto thought Kurama was fast at half power)

    Does Shisui even have any hype regarding speed that trounces Tobirama & Hiruzen gushing over Minato's body flicker?
     
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    - Not leaving behind as many traces or if possible any traces, so the opponent can't track your shunshin.

    - knowing the best timing to use Shunshin and bringing this about often, so one can use it optimally. For instance, using shunshin when line of sight is broken or when the opponent is distracted, so the opponent loses sight of you.
     
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    Shisui's hype has him being fast enough to go undetected by sensor ninja. Leaving after images that can actually strike. Was renowned for his speed on top of the uchiha clan that consisted of Itachi at the time.
     
  8. Ishmael I'd rather you hadn't seen that.

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    Shisui since he was supposedly fast to go undetected by sensors and was leaving after images that could strike by themselves. He was on some watered down flash type shit.
     
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    Shisui was deployed for battle during the war and other villages new about him, but he was famous for his Koto and not his speed.

    If he was faster than Minato, why wouldn't the Raikage ever mention him? A was clearly fixated on Minato being the fastest, so why would he ignore Shisui?
     
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    Minato had FTG.
     
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    And Ei's obsession stemmed from ftg/reflexes, nothing to do with movement speed.
     
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    That's not correct.

    Minato's movement speed matches his FTG. When A tried to lunge at him, Minato threw up a spare kunai before teleporting away. A didn't notice the kunai and was going to have his neck slashed before B saved him.

    A was beat in every way.
     
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    The hell? No lmao.

    Why would he even need ftg if that was the case?

    You realize teleportation is....instant...so you ate sayingbhis movement speed is....instant?

    You'rr example flat out proves you wrong. Ei moved several meters and in that time all Minato could do was throw a kunai, he even legit got knicked by ei's fist.

    Why did minato need fodder to throw his kunai out if he could just blitz around at Ei2 speeds?

    Anyone without bias and remedial reading comprehension could see it was a battle of pure speed and reactions/teleportation, which is why Ei could never do shit.
     
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    Sorry, but the debate isn't going to be that easy for you.

    No, Minato's physical fucking movements aren't instantaneous like teleportation (FTG isn't even instantaneous, just very fast) The word match doesn't usually imply a perfect fit between two objects, just an acceptably close similarity for whatever happens to be the subject being discussed.

    Minato's physical movements must be greater than A's if Minato was about to take A out with a kunai slash. The limiting factor in Minato's plan was his own physical speed since he needed to swing his kunai down after teleporting. The speed of Minato swinging his arm was going to be unavoidable for V2 A.
     
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    Once FTG is activated it is instant. The only limitations are the reflexes of the user.
     
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    The blonde of Konoha.
     
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    > yes it is instant. Do you jnow what teleportation is?
    > Except this discussion is specifically a conversation about minato's speed, so saying it matches fTG is disingenious.
    > no? How the fuck are you coming to that conclusion? Ei was outreacted, and minato instantly ported to a poaition whilsy Ei was vulnerable from the lunging punch he threw.

    We explicitly saw that ei was much much faster physically :giogio
     
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    Minato needed FTG to be in such a position.
    The outmaneuvering by instant teleportation made A4 susceptible to Minato's physical movements.
     
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    Where was this stated? :hm

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    OT: Minato is obviously superior to him.
     
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    Holy shit lol.

    Someone with great feats and hype vs Mr vague mention? Minato by far.
     
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    > It's not. Tobirama commented that the Hiraishin of a shadow clone wouldn't be fast enough to use on Obito. So, Hiraishin's speed depends on chakra. The visual effects that accompany teleportation or kuchiyose also indicate they are not instantaneous movement, but instead just extremely fast movement.

    > You're really only arguing with yourself since the idea you disagree with came from your own head. I told you you misunderstood and you want to keep arguing an imaginary point?

    > Not how it works. If A is physically faster, he will recover and dodge Minato's blow before it comes. Unless you want to say A's perception doesn't match his own raiton-enhanced speed. In which case, we end up back with Minato making physical movements so quick V2 A can't keep track of them.




    So, a similar problem would happen to Shisui.

    If Minato and Shisui were both supposed to teleport to a marked spot B, even if Shisui arrived there first, Minato would arrive and cut Shisui's throat before Shisui could stop him or fully perceive it.

    So, Minato is ultimately faster. Even if Shisui had a faster shunshin, which I don't believe he does, I still wouldn't give him the win.
     
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    no lol. Hirahshin is teleportation. Teleportation is instant.
    "By entering a dimensional void, users can instantly teleport to a technique formula's location whenever they please, regardless of distance. To an onlooker, it may look like the , but the Flying Thunder God actually has more in common with the . "
    Not only is it dead obvious from the numerous depictions we have seen of hirashin but even the DB backs up it's mechanics and explicitly relates it to summoning.

    Fuck are you talking about?

    No? Minato used teleportation to instantly warp from Ei....

    Ei was mid position and obviously couldn't react again to move...

    Minato used a second thought and "landed" in position to strike him.

    This is basic common sense from following the panels.

    Why would this be a neccessary conclusion? Ei can obviously react to those speeds given he fights and executes comple movement in the mode.

    How the fuck is the related to Minato mentally reacting faster, and him not being able to react to that + teleportation?

    Which is retarded given we legit see Ei moves his whole body several meters, and Minato could only move his hand about half of one. Ei is physically faster. Ei didn't even know about Minato or have any reason to believe he wasn't going to bust Minato's face in. You aren't making any sense lmao.



    What the fuck?
    Shisui doesn't teleport so......

    Why are you talking about comparing speeds and then randomly bringing up Minato killing him? This whole thought makes no sense, what are you trying to say.

    yes because of his mental reactions and instant transportation. This had been established going back to my original post to you.

    Okay? This thread is about speed....Why are you bringing up this irrelevant feeling of yours? Sounds like it's a window to your bias :mlpshrug
     
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    Minato's hype mostly includes Hiraishin.
     
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    Oh, well then based on that databook description, you just aren't really giving this any thought.

    That explanation shows that we aren't really dealing with instantaneous events. You can't execute multiple events in an instant. If you don't understand why that's a logic problem.....then that explains why you're still trying to argue.

    I also see you ceded me the point on Minato making imperceptible moves against A. So, yeah, Minato's plain shunshin isn't as fast as A's raiton enhanced shunshin, but everything else Minato does is faster than A.

    And, back to the original point you tried to argue, Minato's reflexes and moves match his FTG in that they are all too fast for A. Basically, if you removed FTG form the equation, you will not have solved the problem of Minato's speed advantage.

    Thanks for playing.
     
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    Hype-Portrayal-Feats-Reputation -> All goes to Minato

    Shisui is featless and his only reputations is about Killer Bee kalling himself "Shunshin no Shisui" thats it.

    IF he is faster and more skilled than The Yellow Flash then why that eye captured by Danzo ?
     
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    Fastest man hype with outstanding body flicker feats >>>>>> "hey, this kid is good at Shunshin" hype.

    Case closed.
     
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    But this is FTG not Shunshin.
    Like Shazam said, Shisui's hype has him being fast enough to go undetected by sensor ninja. Leaving after images that can actually strike.
     
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    Minato has faster Shunshin, outspeeding all the Hokage trumps any hype that was given Shisui.
     
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