Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Sufex, Feb 15, 2020.
Location: open plains
Jman starts in base
Ic and manga intel
Hasn't this been done to death?
Jiraya oneshots the fodder. Also "sick" itachi is canon itachi so just itachi will do.
Since Jiraiya knows about Kawarimi that even P1 Sakura knew about, amaterasu isnt a big problem. Worst case he'd tank it with Hari jizo then shed the damaged hair. He won't look into Itachi eyes as Jman knows his enemy skill in genjutsu and Bunta can partener method with him at worst case. He can stall Itachi with Yomi Numa so the latter would revert to Susano and Jiraiya uses LOS and prepares SM in the meantime. The toad clown knows that he has no regenerative abilities so he wouldnt tank Totsuka but rather evade it and his Sage reactions would definitely grant him that. Given that Yata mirror blocks all ninjutsu, Jiraiya tries to immobilize Itachi with Yomi numa using a clone and have his main body prepare Frog song.
Jiraiya wins with some trouble and outlasts in worst case 8/10 there is a world where Jiraiya falls for Itachi genjutsu or is blindsided by amaterasu so i'd give AIDStachi 2 wins out of ten.
Same thing that happened in Oro vs 3T Itachi happens here.
Literally no reason for it not to (actually Oro is stated to be a Genjutsu master while Jman says he is shit at them, so even more likely it happens to the Toad Sannin).
But this time losing an hand or more leads to Jman outright losing since he doesn't have regen.
Jiraiya was able to take on Urashiki who trashed Adult Sasuke.
So, Jiraiya curbfodderstomps this fodder neg difficulty.
Sick Itachi will start with Basic Ninjutsu or 3T which isn’t beating Jiriaya; and will give him a chance to enter SM. In SM his and the Elder Toads sensing is enough to preempt Tskuyomi and Amaterasu ether by attacking Itachi and interrupting him casting it or blocking LoS. Itachi is going to need Susanoo and the higher stages at that to block SM Jiraiya Ninjutsu, long enough to skewer him with the Totsuka Blade or catch him with Amaterasu / Tskuyomi. Problem is due to illness even if Itachi is successful he probably dies from the effort; and there is a chance he would not be successful as Jiriaya Sound Based Jutsu could still beat him. So Jiriaya wins or it’s a draw.
I would agree with you if
1) Genjutsu skill had anything to do with resisting it; which it doesn’t
2) This was Jiriaya from many years before the series began, as was the case with FB Orochimaru
Current Orochimaru negged 3T Genjutsu; and from Jiriaya explanation of how to counter Genjutsu, being about ‘power’. I’m inclined to believe Jiraiya has a really good chance of accomplishing the same, as Jiriaya is likely >= Orochimaru by any definition of ‘power’ I can think of. Whether that’s Will Power, Nebulous Power level, Chakra Quantity &/or Strength. Jiriaya also tends to rely more heavily on partner Toads, Bushin, and can track the enemy without making eye contact through his Detection Barrier; making Genjutsu harder to land in the first place.
- Genjutsu GG
- Itachi is faster
- Itachi has a much, much, much easier time activating his Trump card, where he'd be able to trounce base Jiraiya pretty easily
Mid diff for Itachi imo
Jiraiya eats an Amaterasu and either dies or is severely damaged enough to get finished off by Itachi
Itachi wins high diff
Itachi takes this
Jiraiya can put up a decent fight for a bit but once Itachi starts using the MS jutsu Jiraiya is gonna get pressure and overwhelmed shortly after
What MS jutsu would overwhelm Jiraiya lol ?
Tsukyomi = Jiraiya avoids eye contact against an Uchiha known to specialize in genjutsu
Amaterasu = Shield himself with hari jizo then shed the burned parts or simply use kawarimi. He can react to it with sage reactions and evade it just like hebi sauce did.
Susano = can restrain it with Yomi numa while preparing for frog song with a shadow clone
Totsuka = He would avoid it with sage reactions and amped speed. Unlike Oro he doesnt have any regenerative abilities so he wouldnt tank it.
Jiraiya wins against sick Itachi no matter how you look at it
Saying that Tsukuyomi can be avoided because he knows he uses genjutsu and should avoid eye contact is like saying that world hunger can be easily countered by feeding everyone... that’s so easy to do
except Jiraiya knows how to fight against Uchiha, Uchiha were present when sannin were famed legendary but the uchiha werent despite their ocular abilities and genjutsu prowess
You say that but this isn't as easy as it sounds. Itachi is pretty good at forcing eye contact as evident by the fights against Bee and early shippuden Kakashi. Also partner method doesn't work against tsukuyomi so there is that.
Anyway in no world is Jiraiya beating someone that bodied Sasuke and Orochimaru gauntlet style while half dead, half blind and semi-bloodlusted. Heck just looking at their completely opposite portrayal should make this clear. One of them keeps winning and the other one keeps losing.
Orochimaru makes it pretty obvious too. He tells us sharingan Itachi is stronger than him but can fight evenly with Jiraiya.
Jiraiya would just have to keep enough distance frop Itachi thus making it easy to avoid eye contact.
Hebi Sasuke is below Jiraiya and Itachi won against Oro only bcs oro was cocky and tought of Totsuka as an ordinary stab thinking that his regen would negg it, Jiraiya won't be doing that anyways
That’s pretty generous
Of course your every day Uchiha with 3T are nothing to the Sannin, we were told that by Kisame in part I and an average uchiha is not comparable to a Sannin obviously.
The issue with this comparison is that itachi is not your average Uchiha and his Tsukiyomi is not your average 3T genjutsu.
Jiraiya keeps a distance at worst. He knows about Tsukyiomi and would play it safe firing ninjutsu from a long range
Itachi slaps Jiraiya with these conditions.
First of all, sage mode is a COMPLETE non factor. It's unlikely Jiraiya would even attempt to use it in character. He hates using that form unless it's absolutely necessary, and why would he think it's necessary against Itachi when he was confident that he would kill both Itachi and Kisame in base? Even if Jiraiya tries to get into sage mode, it's never going to happen in an open field against an opponent as fast as Itachi when it literally requires that he clasps his hands for an entire chapter. It's objectively even harder to set up than Kirin, but for some reason NBD's Jiraiya can always enter sage mode no problem while Sasuke never gets off Kirin. Jiraiya's fighting style heavily depends on summons for stalling and firepower, but genjutsu turns them all to Itachi's side.
Genjutsu is also a huge problem for Jiraiya himself. Teenager Itachi cucked Orochimaru with 3T genjutsu, someone who has more genjutsu skill and is superior to base Jiraiya overall. Even if the argument of "Jiraiya will know to avoid eye contact" is true, that simply isn't good enough. If it was that easy, then how did a handpicked Jonin bodyguard w/ genjutsu skill + full intel on Sasuke/Sharingan still get paralyzed by Sasuke's 3T genjutsu from a large distance away(genjutsu being short range is a myth btw, even hebi Sasuke was using genjutsu on Deidara from huge distances)? Besides, there's still finger genjutsu and subtle genjutsu that even Sasuke used successfuly on Danzo, the guy with nearly a dozen sharingan.
Unlike Itachi, base Jiraiya doesn't really have any speed or reaction feats/hype so Jiraiya probably isn't even keeping pace with Itachi. Hell, even SM Jiraiya got blitzed by the Asura path AFTER being given a warning. With every MS technique being a one shot, there is no way Jiraiya feasibly wins.
Jman wins as per canon.
Jiraiya was able to take on 3 fucking Pains and even killed 2 of them
Itachi gets a Odama Rasengan in his face.GG
You know the rest.
Konohamaru was able to kill one.
What's the point here?
IC Itachi uses Tsukuyomi on him to make him experience a nice life, then buries him. RIP, Jiraiya The Gallant.
1) Oro was overall stronger when he encountered Itachi then when he fought Sasuke obviously (he had his arms and all).
He simply trained to be more resistant to Genjutsu or being in that dimension made him more resistant.
2) Naruto and Kisame have more chakra than Jman, especially the former has definitely more or comparable will power and a more potent chakra (being Asura's reincarnate, an Uzumaki, etc), yet he was defenseless against any of Itachi's Genjutsu (including Finger Genjutsu) even after completing the FRS (a chakra manipulation feat that eluded both Jman and Minato, after which Naruto had in fact a base from which to master Sage Mode to a level beyond both of them).
I am more inclined towards Itachi winning this.
Partner method sounds like a good counter on paper, but when you realize that Itachi can control his targets without even sensors being able to tell, then it's hard to make a case of partner method being an actual efficient way of countering Itachi's genjutsu prowess.
I don't also see Jiraiya being able to stall for his SM given the location. If summons come out, it just triggers Itachi to go into Susanoo earlier and give all the summons and Jiraiya the Totsuka treatment right away.
Crow genjutsu or Finger genjutsu will eventually catch Jiraiya off-guard and get him ready for a MS technique finish.
If Jiraiya enters SM, I could see Itachi very well fucking up with the Elder Toads via genjutsu and killing Jiraiya like that via proxy.
Either way Itachi takes this, high diff mainly because of his sickness & Jiraiya's portrayal.