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SM Hashirama vs 100% BSM Naruto

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Rai, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. Rai 노블레스

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    Location: VOTE
    Mindset: Kill
    Distance: 1000m

    SC1: The Last Naruto
    SC2: Boruto Adult Naruto
     
  2. Cosmos Well-Known Member

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    Inb4 hurr durr Mokuton > Jinchuuriki :lmao
    And , inb4 Hurr durr god gates or SS :lmao

    Hashirama uses hand seals for his Jutsu , and in the next second his is looking at his own body because his head is now in Naruto's hand who just blitzed him .

    Anything below SS is garbage and is not even worth mentioning .
    Mokujin gets raped with TBB as pre canon .
    Jukai koutan gets destroyed as pre canon .
    Kajukai Korin gets nuked with a FRS .
    Kurama avatar tanks Chojo Kebutsu with low damage at best and a laser TBB like the one that nuked the Otsutsuki's golem to the outer space destroys what's left of it .

    This is of course assuming he's gonna live long enuff to wave a hand seal in the 1st place which won't happen :lmao
    Scenario 02 : :oldryoma
     
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  3. GoldGournetChef Member

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    I was thinking this was war arc BSM HAshirama utterly rapes that one but the last and boruto hashi isn't going to realize he is already dead
     
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  4. Parallaxis Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but the distance is
    That's an entire kilometer.

    And gates require only one handseal.
    Just saying :catwalk
     
  5. Cosmos Well-Known Member

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    Good thing he can do this cool thing called closing the distance .
    Naruto and Sasuke in base went from the land of lightning where the 4th shinobi war to the valley of the end before Hagoromo could say few words to Kakashi . Just saying
    You mean the shit that Madara destroyed by standing up ? or the ones Juubito wrecked with his chakra arms that were overowered by a 50 % Kurama avatar?
    Just saying .
     
  6. Kyu ~ █▬█ █ ▀█▀ ~

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    Since when has the Gates ever hit a target that wasn't stationary? Even if they can Hashirama will struggle trying to hurt Naruto, let alone kill him.

    Hashirama's strongest attack is < an attack Naruto tanked at a fraction of his full power. So unless you think Chōjō Kebutsu packs more energy than Golden Wheel Explosion (http://i.imgur.com/gcNpWfb.gif), it isn't killing anyone other than disposable clones.

    On the other hand, one punch from Naruto have made stronger individuals go night-night.
     
  7. professor83 Dancing in the Dark

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    Naruto destroys him
    Boruto movie Naruto could send aliens to a freaking space with rasengan
     
  8. ARGUS The conqueror

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    -- can't combat SS without TBB, and he can't attack with TBB unless he wants to die from his own attacks

    -- can't break out of myojinmon without losing his defense,

    -- can't tank Chojo kobetsu either with his defense and certainly not without it

    -- any weaker attack such as FRS or rasengans are flat out trash

    Hashirama mid/high diffs
     
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    He doesn't need TBB. Hashirma's SS is at best country level, and 100% BSM Naruto from The Last tanked Toneri's small planet level sword without a scratch, and later overpowered it. SS's best feat is destroying EMS Madara's Susanoo + hurting Kurama. 100% BSM Naruto > Toneri chakra sword >>> Toneri casually moving the moon = small planet level >>>>>>> SM Hashirama's SS > EMS Madara's Kurama cloaked Susanoo = country level. SS wouldn't scratch BSM Naruto.

    "can't break out of myojinmon without losing his defense,"

    Myojinmon was broke out of by Juubito, using his raw strength. Toneri moving the moon is a greater feat than anything Juudara has done and Juudara is >>>> Juubito. The Last BSM Naruto > Toneri > Juudara >>> Juubito >>> SM Hashirama's Myojinmon. Those gates got fodderized by Juubito, they wouldn't hold The Last BSM Naruto down for a second.

    "-- can't tank Chojo kobetsu either with his defense and certainly not without it"
    Chojo kobetsu destroyed EMS Madara's Kurama cloaked Susanoo, which makes it at best country level. Toneri is small planet level via moving the moon and he couldn't sctatch The Last BSM Naruto. If a small planet level chakra sword couldn't scratch him, then Chojo kobetsu gets tanked without a scratch as its massively inferior to someone like Toneri.

    "any weaker attack such as FRS or rasengans are flat out trash"
    He doesn't need FRS or rasengan. BSM Naruto punched through Toneri's small planet level sword, BSM Naruto doesn't need jutsu to win. BSM Naruto breaks through Myojinmon with physical strength, tanks SM Hashirama's Chojo kobetsu , and then proceeds to destroy the Buddha with a punch.

    BSM Naruto from The Last low difs SM Hashirama.SM Hashirama can't beat BSM Naruto after the 4th War. The Last BSM Naruto > Toneri > Juudara > 4th War SPSM Naruto > Juubito >>> SM Hashirama > 4th war 50% BSM Naruto.
     
  10. DaVizWiz ║╝‎‎ ‎‎╠╣ ║

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    The Last Naruto was blocking moon splitting attacks while in base with Kurama pulling nearly all of his chakras away from Naruto to fight a space golem. He was attacked directly by the moon splitter twice, and it did nothing to him both times, while in a considerably weakened state.

    Full powered BSM Naruto basically laughs off the majority of Hashirama's offense and guns him down with shunshin & TBB long range assaults if he feels his cloak can't handle the SS punches in close though there's nothing that suggests it couldn't or that the statue would even be capable of touching an avatar that fast.

    As far as returned TBB being an issue, that's impossible as the Mokuton structure couldn't hit BSM Naruto even it weren't carrying a highly dense chakra bomb in one of it's hands, and Hashirama wouldn't be capable of tracking Naruto's speed and reacting to his bijuudama before they detonated on the statue, you're talking about a speed difference comparable to that of Raikage to kid Konohamaru, Hashirama wouldn't even see the orange flashes.

    It's debatable whether he'd be capable of tracking War-arc BSM Naruto spree shunining let alone post-rikudo 100% Last BSM Naruto flashing around him in a full avatar. Call Naruto Casper the Friendly Ghost, that's what he'd be to Hashirama's eyes- a ghost.

    To put this battle in perspective, The Last Sasuke obliterated a crashing meteor several times the size of the shinobi village with a basic Chidori that pre-rikudo could barely puncture Ei's cloak. The jump in power was several hundred multiples for both shinobi, that same jump applies to Naruto as much as it does to Sasuke - especially when he's in BSM which essentially multiples his already several hundred multiplied boost base capabilities post-rikudo even more. It's great having a bijuu that puts you over the top of your dojustu god buddy.
     
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  11. Cosmos Well-Known Member

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    Mokuton tossing back TBBs at Naruto while he just stands there is probably the stupidest argument i read this week .
     
  12. ARGUS The conqueror

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    So is BSM naruto
    The only reason it cut down the moon because the blade spanned larger than the moon itself
    The blade failed to cut down a chakra fist from BSM naruto when the far superior RSM shroud was breached by a mere katana

    All this means is that pound per pound damage of toneris blade is trash.
    Not even the RSM avatar which is far above the full BSM avatar would tank Chojo kobetsu with no damage

    Bold is flat out wrong since toneris blade won't scratch SS, not when a mere fist from uncloaked naruto can tank it. And when there's more than enough evidence of a far superior defense from naruto getting breached by far weaker attacks

    Yeah it won't scratch it.
    It will flat out kill him

    Db4 has already stated that base mokujin is on par with full kyuubi

    Add SM buff to both, and SM mokujin = Full BSM avatar in durability
    SM mokujin was on par with madaras PS as the manga showed

    Guess what Chojo canonically busted in the manga,
    Hint: it was PS which is on par with full BSM avatar in durability

    Lol toneri didn't move the moon through his raw strength
    So a terrible ass point already
    Myojinmon being broken out through raw strength is a feat of Juubito
    Doesn't discredit the fact that it pinned down V3 juubi like a bitch
    And till then
    When it comes to physical strength
    V3 juubi >>>>>>>>> BSM avatar

    Stopped reading when you had fkn BSM naruto above juudara

    Slap yourself if you think that toneri who got punked by a punch from BSM naruto is above Madara who was stated to be stronger than RSM naruto

    And yes. Myojinmon pins him down like a bitch. Absolutely no physical feat from full kyuubi that put it any where even close to juubi

    Already addressed this flawed reasoning


    :scust
    A punch from BSM naruto destroying SS? Lol perhaps the stupidest argument I have ever heard

    That punch isn't even close to a regular BSM TBB
    SS can tank 10 of those at the very least

    Lol, naruto resorting to just landing a punch would just result in 1000 mountain dwarfing hands turning him into dog shit in the park

    Manga has already established that Hashirama >> any naruto without RSM

    Last naruto gets mid diffd by all feats
    Manga BSM naruto gets stomped
    I'm done here. :scust
    Perhaps the worst comparison list I have ever seen

    Juudara > SPSM naruto > Juubito >> Hashirama > last naruto > toneri >> manga BSM naruto
     
  13. LightningForce Active Member

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    Naruto beats Hashirama in both scenarios.

    Some people seem to forget that The Last Naruto unleashed what seems to be at least a 50% Kurama avatar out to combat the golem. And BSM Naruto without that amount of chakra still made hundreds if not thousands of clones, still tanked that moon-splitting attack, still got around TSB's, and still trashed Toneri in one punch. 100% BSM Naruto would be overkill.

    And it is absurd to think Hashirama would stand a chance against an Otsutsuki wielding the equivalent dojutsu of the Rinnegan.
     
  14. Jikaishin God of Destiny

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    Well Toneri is stronger than Naruto, the only reason he lost is because he didn't puppet reincarnation technique, he show just after than he can use it and that Naruto can do nothing about it

    Not saying Hashirama has a small chance, he is killed before he can do anything
    The tier list is obviously
    Kaguya - Hagoromo - FF Momoshiki - Juubidara = Toneri - Naruto - Sasuke - Juubito >>>>>> Hashirama ( who himself admitted it )
     
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  15. Jikaishin God of Destiny

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    Hmm, I wonder what make you laugh
    :mikebatman
    Kaguya and Hagoromo shouldn't be questionned

    Final form Momoshiki is superior to Naruto or Sasuke but weaker than the two of them combined

    Juubidara can probably beat them one on one and Toneri can just use chakra drain and win as per the end of the movie that people seems to ignore but I don't know why

    Juubito was beaten by 50% BSM and EMS Sasuke + 10 fodder so he isn't stronger than either Naruto or Sasuke and Hashirama himself said that Retard Juubito was stronger than him so he is fodder to Juubito
     
  16. Parallaxis Well-Known Member

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    No, Naruto trashed Toneri with only BSM. :lmao :lmao He didn't even use SPSM.
    If Juudara was taking on Rinnegan Sasuke AND SPSM Naruto, what makes you think he is equal to someone who got trashed by BSM Naruto?
     
  17. Cosmos Well-Known Member

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    He didn't use RSM because the movie was still in production in 2012 :lmao
     
  18. UchihaX28 U̶c̶h̶i̶h̶a̶W̶a̶n̶k̶e̶r̶

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    I'm not sure, but The Last Naruto is augmented by >50% Rikudou's chakra which would be a tremendous boost even without using the greater and more illustrious Rikudou Senjutsu. Mokuton has the inherent advantage against Bijuu while Yoton has an inherent advantage against Mokuton and Naruto managed to accomplish such a feat that blazed through the Shinju.

    I'll be leaning towards Naruto unless someone dissuades me from believing so.
     
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    boruto the movie naruto was using RSM so he'll trash hashi, but the last naruto vs hashirama would be a good one, cuz hashi already whooped full kurama + PS, so its not gonna be as easy as people are making it out to be,and has a counter for bijuu dama
    - either by deflecting it with rashmoun gates
    - or grabbing it and tossing it back at naruto

    eventhough hashi has the power to fight against bijuu naruto is enhanced by rikudou chakra, sooo.. its hard for me to decide who beats whobut anyone who thinks toneri is even close to madara's power is retarded (no offence) and anyone who also think the last naruto > war arc RSM naruto is also retarded, toneri is the weakest character with rikudou chakra, any rikudou enhanced character beats him bar 1 eyed alive rinne madara
     
  20. Troyse22 Tailed Beast Without a Tail

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    Daaaamn now that's the old Argus analysis' that are thought provoking
     
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    But didn't Sasuke have his Rinnegan in the movie?

    Plus Naruto having his arm all bandaged and Sasuke missing one.

    In fact even Hamura whose name was only revealed after Kaguya was resurrected makes an appearance in the movie.

    Clearly Kishi told the movie folks some upcoming secrets. So the power up of the main character himself shouldn't be a secret either.
     
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    They already know what the rinnegan look like by that time .
    not a big deal.
    who said kishi didn't think of him earlier than that?
    Sadly the informations begs to differ .
     
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    I see people are still posting their Hashirama fanfics in the battledome section. Someone should probably move those
    :noworries

    Hashirama is objectively weaker than Toneri and the new age Rikudo bro's
     
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    No, the reason it cut through the moon is that it had the power to actually do so; length/width isn't an adequate substitute for substance.

    It can exceed the moon's diameter all it wants, if the energy itself is insufficient the blade won't breach the moon's exterior.

    Tailed Beast chakra in general has consistently exhibited sublime defensive capabilities throughout the series, specifically against blades/piercing attacks.

    Examples:
    • Orochimaru's kusanagi unable to breach KN4's shroud after extending several dozen(perhaps hundred) meters
    • Sasuke's Chidori not so much as leaving a scratch on RSM Naruto's forearm upon hitting him
    • Kakashi's Rakiri failing to penetrate shrouds of vastly weaker V2 Jinchuuriki
    • Multiple V1 shrouds defending against Yasaka Magatama and giant kunai without deforming in the slightest.
    • A KCM clone tanking 3 katana slashes simultaneously
    • BSM w/o Kurama no-selling a slash from Golden Wheel
    • BSM w/o Kurama no-selling a shank from Golden Wheel

    either Sasuke's katana is special and isn't as weak as you're making it out to be or you're dealing with an outlier.

    "Whooped" implies it was a one-sided affair that didn't cost Hashirama his strongest technique.

    BD isn't necessary to win.

    What does this accomplish when Nardo can simply:

    a.) tank it
    b.) move the fuck outta the way
     
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    Like I already said before, tossing the TBB back is the stupidest argument in this thread :catdude

    The main factor on whether a bijuudama can be caught and thrown back is size. If the bjiuudama is too damn big then it will just crush whatever mokuton construct tries to stop it(unless it's met with a equally ridiculous mokuton size).

    The second factor would be speed, and by that proxy, force of the bijuudama being fired. If it's moving with too much power and speed then the mokuton won't be able to grab it For instance, let's just say hypothetically we use the bijuudama kurama used to send toneri's golem into orbit. Something like that would probably break all but hashirama's strongest mokuton creations with that kind of speed and force.
    This is what's gonna happen to Hashirama's Mokuton techniques

     
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    • Sasuke's Chidori not so much as leaving a scratch on RSM Naruto's forearm upon hitting him
    Anyone has a panEl of this?
     
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    If it was War arc naruto with 100% kurama restricted to just BSM...hed lose for sure

    But in his TL and adult forms?

    Hashi has no chance, its a role reversal post war.

    Sasukes base stats went up by a ridiculous margin post war, his base chidori went from less than mountain level to
    damn-near-the-size-of-a-village level by destroying that meteor in TL...

    And his physical speed and strength? Well...





    And naruto proved he revieved a similar boost when he kept up with sasuke against monstershiki





    Post war naruto and sasuke can hang with full powered otsutsukis solo, otsutsukis are in another realm of power than hashirama could even fantasize about...remember when he admitted (http://mangalife.org/read-online/Naruto-chapter-638-page-23.html) inferiority to juubito??? (http://mangalife.org/read-online/Naruto-chapter-638-page-24.html) Which was then reinforced by both the second, and third hokages?

    Yep.

    Monstershiki>=Adult Naruto/Sasuke>Kinshiki>=<TL Naruto/Sasuke>War Arc Naruto/Sasuke>Juubito>Hashirama

    Theres a very clear line here

    Hashi gets smashed.
     
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    Now we even got confirmation he can contend with God tiers in base:


     
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    Yes it is,
    by your logic, cutting a watermelon with a sword requires the same amount of power as cutting it clean with a butter knife

    Yeah a very stupid argument

    Using a weapon that large didnt even require a shockwave, as it was clearly showcased in the manga.
    and using a weapon that large is irrelevant against a human sized target when its damage is spread out a distance greater than the circumference of the god damn moon,
    so the only part of the blade thats actually hittting the target is a tiny bit, meaning the POUND PER POUND DAMAGE is whats taken into account, and if that failed to cut a chakra fist from an avatarless naruto, then the attack is nothing special. It will not even budge hashiramaas far more durable full fledged mokuton constructs.



    no but if it spans a distance that great then the energy required really isnt that high
    the actual damage that is dealt to the target is Force per cross sectional area. its called Effective Stress.
    so yeah, the greater the area of the attack, the lower the effective damage
    literally all of these examples are nigh irrelevant bar the last two which has already been refuted

    yeah the same katana which even when augmented by raiton, failed to budge the likes of Ay
    unless you think that Ay is moon level now, or unless youre going to tell me that SAsukes katana is stronger than SS then the only logical conclusion is that toneris blade is not as strong as you think it is, and it most certainly wont budge SS when its far more durable than a mere fist .
    atleast not its pound per pound damage

    And no, this is obviously not an outlier. Because more than enough evidence points to narutos body/fist not being moon level. and of toneris blade having a weak effective force
    -- RSM narutos shroud pierced by mere katana. Yes an entity far above a BSM chakra fist
    -- a far far superior ashura avatar shit wrecked by VOTE2 clash which wasnt even close to moon level
    -- a far superior BSM avatar shit wrecked by a mere drop slam

    so far the only arguments i have ever seen relating to toneri, are the usual,
    hurr durr, ootsutsuki soo stronk, when the dude is rookie who got shit wrecked by a punch from an avatarless naruto.
    a punch with power that isnt even far off from what sakura could manage.
    yet im seeing rubbish relating to Narutos body tanking SS, or toneri one shotting it when it failed to scratch a far weaker entity, and when his construct got one shotted by a single BSM TBB, which is far weaker than what chojo can yield
     

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