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SM Jiraiya vs Animal, Preta and Human Paths

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Shark, Jul 13, 2018.

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  1. Jiraiya both scenarios

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  2. Pain both scenarios

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  3. Jiraiya wins with frog song and loses when it's restricted.

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  1. Shark Well-Known Member

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    Location: Sannin Battlefield
    Knowledge: pre-Pain fight.
    Mindset: IC
    Distance: 20 meters.
    Animal can't summon the other three paths, Jiraiya starts fused in SM, Jiraiya wins if he beats the the paths.
    Scenario 1: no restrictions
    Scenario 2: Frog song

    Does changing the location affect anything?
     
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  2. Zero890 Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya wins once he realizes that all three Paths have only one ability, Frog Song is not necessary.
     
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  3. Azula .

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    Jiraiya easily even if he walks into the fight with 0 knowledge and changed location.

    I am going to argue plot here for a bit and hear me out. Jiraiya retreating and taking half a dozen page to explain Pein's abilities was almost entirely for the reader's sake. Pein's abilities in comparison to those before him were a bit complicated and therefore it made sense to lay it out neatly and detailed without the distraction of a fight.

    Jiraiya and Fukasaku both had started to notice the strange way they fight and so in a fight without plot influence, they would be able to figure out mid-battle what their secrets are. Characters figure out abilities by experimenting or laying bait to confirm their suspicions all the time. That's also what Jiraiya did when he hid a clone to see if Preta will absorb it's attack.

    Jiraiya was mainly worried that all 3 have the same Rinnegan and therefore same abilities in ninjutsu and taijutsu. As soon as 'one ability one path' is figured out all it takes is once clone to engage Preta and then Jiraiya is free to bombard the other two with ninjutsu which they can't counter.

    Without Preta path to defend them as he is engaged with a clone- Animal and Human can get destroyed by Rasengan, burnt by oil or fire, dropped in Yomi Numa etc etc.

    Location also doesn't affect him.

    Smoke bombs and Dust cloud were used in Konoha open field to deal with Shared vision. Naruto also used the smoke diversion to leap up in air and hit Naraka path from up above.

    So there you have it.
     
  4. Munboy Dracule O'Brian Well-Known Member

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    Scenario 1, Jiraiya would still be dealing with Cerberus and he'd ultimately lose seeing as there's no where to hide.

    Scenario 2, the same, especially when there's no place to hide.
     
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    Jiraya wins both scenario, High diff with frog song, extreme diff without it, maybe he can even lose, but his chances are actually better.
     
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  6. Sage light Well-Known Member

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    Animal Path summons have bombs which explodes Jiraiya, killing him.

    One touch is enough to steal his soul which they obviously pulls off.
     
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    Didn't these Path force J man to admit that he'll get killed if he used Taijutsu & ninjutsu and he had to use frog song as a last resort.
    J man gets killed because he won't have time to use frog song
     
  8. Orochimaruwantsyourbody Well-Known Member

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    Jiraiya said that if he keeps fighting the way he was, and if his Ninjutsu isn’t going to work, and if there are three different Rinnegan users he will die even in SM. Jiraiya stopped fighting the way he was and it turned out that each of the three only had no ability, hence why Jiraiya defeated them quickly in the next scene.
     
  9. Maverick04 Out of touch

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    Yea a lot actually..He needs to find a different escape route to prep his genjutsu if it comes to that.

    I'll give Jiraiya the benefit of the doubt and say that he'll survive long enough to pull off Frog Song for a high diff win

    Jiraiya would most probably lose here with his only option for victory being restricted
     
  10. WorldsStrongest Dio With It

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    He objectively cant deal with Cerberus well at all especially not when backed by repeated summon spam and several other paths worth of shared vision :catshrug

    The only reason it didnt cause him a nightmare of a time to deal with was because Animal path decided itd be fun to recall it for whatever reason and then forget he has the ability to summon altogether for the duration of the fight

    The location here also hurts Jman BIG time. As he cant dip like he did last time to avoid being anally prolapsed against Pain in a straight fight like he admits to being a very real possibility...Theres next to no chance of Frog song happening in a location like this where Jman cant break LoS if he wanted to...Its just wide open space for miles around...

    And in a straight up fight WITHOUT FROG SONG, Jman admitted to not being capable of taking the 3 paths as is...And that was with Cerberus taken care of magically by the plot without Jman doing anything to it...

    Jman will be hard pressed to deal with just summon spam...He can call on the Gama Trio sure, but they are walled by Cerberus alone...Thats ignoring the Rhino, the Bull, The centipedes, the bird, the crab etc...

    But anyway, lets just assume that Jman sides steps all of that and heads straight for the paths somehow while the Gama Trio dies gradually against Cerberus, what is Jman gonna do to them exactly?

    Dont see Jman dealing with 3 LoS for Shared Vision including Summons eyes as well outside of a very confined hallway either...It wasnt easy for Naruto to do and Naruto has arguably the best feint game in the series

    Any of his ninjutsu are being negated by Preta as he himself stated, or tanked by Cerberus or another summon like the defensive Panda or any other creature that Animal hasnt used yet really, and if Jman hits cerberus he accomplishes nothing but making his situation even worse

    Jman who is literally a 0 in the feinting category isnt making a hit happen against this much Shared Vision easily if at all

    And teh Gama Trio are on the fucking clock... . They canonically cant stall Cerberus long at all...And again, thats assuming they fight Cerberus and ONLY Cerberus...Jman isnt Naruto, he cant bitch smack 3 other boss summons away with COR clones and he doesnt have the strength Naruto does to bitchtoss one into the stratosphere

    And if Jman doesnt circumvent Shared Vision, in a wide open field, without frog song, before Cerberus guts the Gama Trio which they can canonically do in a frighteningly short amount of time, and land a killing blow on Animal path SPECIFICALLY as taking down either of the other 2 paths first doesnt really help him in the long run...Jman is right back to square one only now he has no summons of his own to counter Cerberus with and gets torn apart

    Theres a very real chance he goes down here

    Both rounds...As i dont see Frog Song being a factor in a location like this at all
     
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  11. Gifted Well-Known Member

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    Jirayia wins with Frog Song just like in canon
     
  12. Silnaem Nothing for Wisdom

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    Cannons make sure Jiraiya can't prep anything

    And clones are chakra constructs
     
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    There is not anything to discuss here. :facepalmed

    and and . Add Yomi Numa beneath Cerebus and it's completely trappped. 3 Boss Summons are overkill, just summon 1 if it's even needed, .

    Once Jiraiya sees them all using only one ability, he throws up a smoke bomb or dust cloud and sends a clone after Preta. Animal and Human path then get bombarded and killed by ninjutsu.
     
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    Where is the "Three Rennigan users"?

    :catshrug
     
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    Where it says "all three".
     
  16. Azula .

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    Without knowledge and they assumed that the abilities in front of them are Rinnegan abilities common to all since all three have Rinnegan.

    Are you saying that Jiraiya was aware that each path can only use one ability from the beginning? Because that is simply wrong. :catshrug

    I could post their entire conversation about the paths, because all of it is based on this assumption, until they start to work it out.

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  17. Shark Well-Known Member

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    The emphasis is on them being three, not Rennigan wielders.

    In the next panel he says he never imagined he would be this strong. i.e referring to what he has seen from them, not what he was presuming about their potential.
     
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    However it is seen that Jiraiya is sure to win when he says "as i suspected, each of them posseses only a single type of Jutsu!"

    Jiraiya clearly did not know that they only have one ability and he saw it as a big problem because of the way he reacted when he realized they only had one ability.
     
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