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SM Naruto vs Gai

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Gifted, Apr 16, 2018.

  1. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    Location: Naruto vs Pain
    Distance:15m
    Restrictions:Ma and Pa,8th Gate
    Stipulations:Naruto has no clones at the mountain
    Knowledge:Full for Gai,None for Naruto
     
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  2. WorldsStrongest I am My Scars

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    If naruto starts in base he gets babyshaked
     
  3. Zero890 Well-Known Member

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    smoke bombs blinds Gai, clone feints ahead and then Gai recives a Rasengan from the sky
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    Naruto mid diff.
     
  4. Gifted Yellow Rep Bar Someday

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    How is it a mid diff fight if all Naruto has to do is LoS Block,Clone feint and finish it with Rasengan..he’s not even using a fraction of his chakra and didn’t get hit/tagged once in that scenario.

    That just goes to show that you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

    Also Naruto makes smoke 15m’s ahead of Gai but somehow feints him from above?
     
  5. Zero890 Well-Known Member

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    Mid diff because Naruto probably does not do this immediately :wha

    :doge

    Smoke= Gai will not realize that Naruto is in the air.

    Feints ahead= Gai much less will realize that Naruto is in the air, as he did here



    The real hit him with a Rasengan from the air :catshrug
     
  6. Bonly A Real Man

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    Naruto uses 50+clones all in Sage Mode and then they go and beat Gai to a pulp or they all carry a Rasengan or CO Rasengan and rush Gai and overwhelm him or Naruto can blitz Gai with FCD or he can trick Gai with all the clones to set up a good FRS shot, etc. the possibilities of what Naruto can do with clones is too much for Gai, clone spam for the win
     
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    I'm gonna assume this is Pain arc Naruto..SM Naruto IMO can't keep up with 7th Gate speed and would have to resort to frog Kata but since Gai has full knowledge here, he'll be on his toes at all times..Smoke bombs + Rasengan isnt gonna work here..Gai has full knowledge and can easily avoid that..FRS requires stupid amount of charge time (First use two clones, then have one use shape transformation and other use nature transformation)..Without PIS, Gai nukes him with Hirudora
     
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    Gai gets turned into smear on the ground.
     
  9. PradyumnaR Lord Second

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    Ain't no chains holding down guy prior or he isn't a huge ass biju sized target.
     
  10. Sapherosth One post man

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    Spamming large scale techniques doesn't work. Just look at Kisame's 1000 sharks.

    Also, what is Naruto's answer to Afternoon Tiger? Gai can close the distance and fire it off just like he did against Madara. Surely SM Naruto's CQC feats aren't up there with JJ Mads.
     
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  11. PradyumnaR Lord Second

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    Naruto isnt making those many clones as they do not add any advantage. Guy is stronger physically in 7 gate and a heck lot faster. He'll asakujaku them all.
    He can rush Naruto and Hirudora him in the face. He ain't as fast as jj Madara reactions or fast enough to intercept a TSB.
     
  12. Bonly A Real Man

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    1000 sharks didn't surround Gai and attack from all angles like Naruto's clones can do so yes indeed large jutsu would work.

    Naruto dodges it with a Shunshin but since Naruto is gonna have out 100+ clones out Gai has no clue which is the real Naruto so not only can Naruto dodge it but Naruto can avoid it completely with clones and then beat Gai up
     
  13. PradyumnaR Lord Second

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    He doesn't need to know which is the real. He didn't know which shark was real info carrier and he still dealt with them in water, when they were trying to swim away on top of that.
    Guy isn't going to wait and watch Naruto surround him. He has info here. He has enough strength to muscle through the clones.
     
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    You mean to say In your opinion they don't add any advantage. That's not a fact and when Naruto has clones that can use multiple large scale jutsu, use FRS, create openings, help avoid attacks, etc. then it's pretty clear that they do give him an advantage in the fight.



    I haven't seen anything from Gai to say he's stronger then Sage Mode Naruto. Morning peacock and only work in one directions which means only some of the clones will get destroyed. When he's surrounded using morning peacock will leave him open to Naruto and his clones to attack from the other directions and it'll be a GG for Gai



    Naruto doesn't need to have Madara's reactions to react to Hirudora. Madara wasn't serious against Gai as we saw him react to a much faster Gai.
     
  15. Crimson Flam3s Rampage Sage

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    Lol at Naruto's clone and rasengan spam doing anything.

    Let's see, weakened Gai fired off a Hirudora before Madara could do a Susanoo sword swing.

    Gai fires a Hirudora at that shit and makes every single clone go poof and injures Naruto.

    Naruto is also getting slaughtered in cqc against Gai, who's taijutsu techniques become augmented several times by the gates.

    Gai mid diff
     
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    Smoke bombs isn't doing much when Gai can just go 6th Gate and repel the smoke away with his sweat.
     
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    > Guy's speed pressuring Madara in anyway when we saw him react to a far faster guy

    :kobeha

    If Guy slings a hirduora, his ass gets mauled by FRS.
     
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  18. PradyumnaR Lord Second

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    Clones ain't fast enough to hit a guy who can intercept a TSB. He will only be wasting Chakra which is not an advantage.
    He doesn't have to be stronger than Naruto. He just has to be strong enough to deal with the clones. Clones aren't as strong as Naruto physically. 6 gate guy toppled the Gedo mazou with his combo attack. Enough strength to handle Naruto. Morning peacock works better here when all the clones are rushing him. He just needs to create distance, which he can with his speed and fire off Asakujaku.


    The fact that only jj Madara reacted to it proves it wrong. No proof that Naruto is fast enough to handle Hirudora. Even if he sees it coming, it'll still blast him nonetheless. Naruto could barely react to Peins rods, while guy was fast enough in 6th gate to save Kakashi from the TSB an inch from his face. Serious or not, Madara was caught off guard nonetheless by Hirudora and only sliced it with his staff. If Naruto tries that he is going to La La Land. Naruto ain't reacting to that.
    Madara not being serious does not mean it'll be easier for Naruto who is leagues behind jj Madara in speed and strength, to handle a Hirudora.
     
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    Im just gonna say this fight would be closer than either side thinks it is

    And tbh a single hirudora fired in narutos general direction would neg diff any attempts at clone spam...

    I think people seriously underestimate the AoE of that thing...

    The real naruto would be the only one remaining from a hit that hard...In no world is a KB tanking Hirudora...And the real naruto wouldnt have taken it that well either

    Gai could then follow up with a Morning Peacock...That Naruto is ALSO not taking well...Even assuming a few clones lived that Hirudora, MP would clean up the remaining clones and do some serious damage to the real naruto as well

    With his stamina even limited to his pre war showings, Gai can AT BARE MINIMUM get off 2 back to back gated attacks as well,

    And no, im not saying gai winning is a sure thing here, im just saying that people writing Gai off immediately need to reexamine a few things

    Yes, Naruto is portrayed at a higher level, but gais feats speak for themselves

    That said, if naruto countered this tactic, theres not really anything left Gai could try :catshrug

    The gated strain would certainly catch up with him
     
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    Doesn't Naruto also have a specific number of FRS before SM wears off? Just Asking.
     
  21. WorldsStrongest I am My Scars

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    Yes

    2 assuming its Pain arc naruto

    And thats while fresh in SM, if hes done other ninjutsu or been in the state for some time, theres a good chance hed only get 1 off and then drop into base

    And in base Gai would annihilate him
     
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    Naruto wins.

    It was well established that he is the strongest one around.
     
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    Rasengan variants > Fire and therefore Asakujaku (See rooftop Part 1 fight)

    And FRS will at least stalemate and divert off Hirudora when it clashes with it. Hirudora is one shot while Naruto can do more than 1 FRS.

    Gai's speed and CQC won't be a problem due to SM boost. Naruto's one hit will be lethal.

    SM Naruto is clearly superior, both by portrayal and feats.
     
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    Lol yes they are. Gai intercepting the TSB from off panel means all of jack it as it's a inception feat. Might as well say that Minato can actually react to 8th Gated Gai since he did in canon lol. Or claim that Kakashi can speed blitz Deva path since he intercepted Deva's attack on Iruka when Deva was inches from him and Kakashi was nowhere to be seen before popping up. 2018 and people still take inception feats serious lol.


    As long as you realize you're wrong in claiming 7th Gated Gai as stronger, i'm good.


    Clones don't have to be physically as strong as Naruto himself. They're still strong and getting hit by 100+ fist is gonna fuck up Gai one way or another. Plus Naruto's clones can use Ninjutsu so they don't have to be all physical.



    "Morning peacock only work in one direction which means only some of the clones will get destroyed. When he's surrounded using morning peacock will leave him open to Naruto and his clones to attack from the other directions and it'll be a GG for Gai"

    Sorry but MP isn't a 360 type attack. If Gai is surrounded by clones from all directions then he'd be open to the rest attacking him.



    That's about as stupid as saying that only Itachi can survive Kirin from Sasuke and everyone else will die. Gai has used Hirudora in CQC against someone once and it got countered. That doesn't mean it takes someone at Madara's lvl to react to it. We've seen Kisame react to Hirudora so yeah that super impressive.



    Lol so you're gonna ignore Naruto reacting to people faster then Pain's rods such as Madara and the Sandaime Raikage? Lol keep that bias going strong and ignore feats after the pain arc.



    Naruto doesn't have a sword so he wouldn't even try to slice it. He'd just Shunshin away and this is once again assuming Gai aims at the real Naruto



    Madara not being serious means that what Gai did is about as impressive as Sasuke "pressuring" Kakashi in part one during the bell test.
     
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    Gai should win.

    He was outrunning truthseekers in lower gates while carrying a grown man and hitting multiple V2 Sharingan Jins simultaneously in the same attack in the 3rd Gate.

    This implies Naruto would never touch him when in the higher gates, and he could quite easily land basic shots on Naruto in them, not even the faster and less predictable ones like MP or AT.

    Without knowledge Naruto has no reason to use clones against a random shinobi at all, which topples a majority of the poster's arguments for Naruto in this thread.

    He runs in, gets surprised and taken aback by the explosion of Gai's 6G entry, and gets annihilated by Morning Peacock shots while he's still covering his face.

    This a weaker version of SM Naruto that was overwhelmed by SM Madara's speed, when he had knowledge of Madara, and the fact he'd acquired the same mode as him.
     
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    The Naruto wanking is real. 7th gate Guy takes this easily.
     
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    Gai was said to get in Naruto's way by Katsuyu against Pain.

    That TOTALLY meant that Gai was too weak for a tired Deva Path and not meant that Naruto wanted Pain for himself and nobody else.

    I mean, it's not like that behavior continued in the war and was used as charatcer development for him.

    No, guys. It was said because Team Gai would be Sakura level of burden when she needed to be saved vs Sasuke. Do not fool yourselves.

    Naruto stomps :lmao.

    Joking aside with stuff so painfully obvious that I'm amazed some people cannot grasp it. Naruto would win if he faces Gai smart.

    If Naruto decides, by chance, to go CqC, he's going to suffer terribly. The huuuuuge Taijutsu skill gap between both was made evident when KCM Naruto was being trashed by Obito even using clones.

    Put a weaker Naruto vs a stronger Gai in a close combat match and Naruto's humilliated harder than Sakura when Kabuto's ass knocked her out.
     
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  28. PradyumnaR Lord Second

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    LOL.. Why wouldn't you take it as a feat. It happened in manga... period. He wasnt in the frame when the TSB started and he saved Kakashi before he hit him.. Pure physical speed feat. Simple. Entertaining your logic here, The same minato who needed rock lee to throw the kunai precisely in his gate 6, couldn't even move to save Kakashi from the TSB and thanked guy. Physical speed is not equal to sunshin . I assume you know that by now. Your Kakashi speed blitzing Deva path is invalid here because intercepting an attack is not equal to speed blitz, and I never stated guy can speed blitz Madara in his 6 or 7 gate. It's not my problem problem you equate jj Madara's feats to SM naruto here. I only stated he is fast enough to do that and he is fast enough to avoid any of Narutos attacks. Simple.
    Why are you in the notion that guy is gonna stand there and take those 100 fists? He isn't handicapped. Gai can create more distance before any of those hits land.
    Guy can also move and dodge, he isnt simple standing and gawking. He dodged obitos attack without looking at it.


    That is the reason I said guy will create distance and a track. Not hard to make them get in his line of sight. Guy isn't waiting until he gets surrounded.



    That is because you thought since judara can do it, so can SM Naruto. That's equally baseless.


    As long as you downplay Guys speed and keep saying only Naruto will do the attacking by surrounding guy and hitting him with 50 clones, while guy is simply gonna take it.


    Naruto isn't slicing Hirudora wvwn with a sword. Madara did it with his staff... Which is definitely powerful and different from a regular sword. Guy can just use it to create a blast radius bigger than turtle island and any real or cline Naruto gets negged.

    You just proved how stupid this statement is by comparing a death match between opponents vs a sparring test between a sensei and his students. Even going by this weird comparison, The only difference being Madara almost died and repeatedly told himself not to get hit by the attacks.
    And Madara being serious or not doesn't matter because SM naruto is not JJ Madara. It doesn't apply here.
    KC Naruto was being bullied by Obito with his clones, who failed to hit guy in his base, who had no sunshine, Chakra cloak or kamui warping. So cqc is out for Naruto.
    Guy sixth and seventh gate is so fast Narutos long range ninjutsu isn't working either cause he dodges them at distance and Naruto needs to close the distance to strike. He has 2 FRS or 3 before SM wears and if he starts FRS off the bat.
    With his one trick 50 clone spam he is reducing his time and sm Chakra.
     
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    Sorry but if you're not smart enough to understand that inception feats ignore what the manga portrayed for a "cool" or a "shocking" moment in the manga and think that they're legit feats then you're not worth my time. Good day sir.
     
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  30. PradyumnaR Lord Second

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    Well.. Not my diagnosis... If you think that was the only speed feat of guy and don't want to accept the fact that he is fast enough to dodge most of Naruto attacks.... I'll leave you to that. Ciao
     

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