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SM Naruto vs Gai

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by Gifted, Apr 16, 2018.

  1. Sapherosth One post man

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    Has Katsuyu ever actually seen Gai in battle? Last time I checked, Katsuyu doesn't know anything about Gai's powers or his Gates.
     
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    She might. However, knowing or not is irrelevant.

    Katsuyu told Gai to stay out of Naruto's way because Naruto wanted Pain for himself. This is something Naruto used to do until Itachi told him "Hey bro, do no be stupid. Lean on your comrades too." Naruto wanting the enemies for himself was a big deal, not just a random comment thrown by Kishimoto.

    It wasn't because Team Gai was going to be defeated by a tired Deva Path. Thing is, if Gai joined, he'd have stolen Naruto's heroic "victory" there.
     
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    Gai was out of the village for a purpose.

    Let's not be coy.

    Gai & Kakashi would've taken a weakened Pain on as a team and beaten them handily, no different than when they engaged the other paths in the war.

    That doesn't give Naruto the ability to display his Sage Mode and beat the main villain of the arc, however. Nor does it introduce Obito as the actual villain, the dilemma of achieving peace for Naruto, or the thousands killed by CST which Nagato revived as a result of Naruto's achievement against Pain - which made him believe in him and use RT.

    So he was written out of the village.

    Moreover, the implication that Hiashi, Shikaku, Shikamaru, Sakura etc. couldn't have aided Naruto in combat against Pain is absurd. Two of them already battled Akatsuki members that were individually superior to several of the Pain bodies, and Chiyo & Choza were already shown aiding Kakashi quite well against two of the strongest bodies in that very arc.
     
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    I'm wondering ... :gglife

    Do people think 7G Gai can lolwtfspeedblitz Sage Hashirama, EMS Madara, BSM Naruto or EMS Sasuke because he "pressured" JJ Madara ? :catthinks

    Or that obviously Madara was trolling him since he could react to a faster (much MUCH faster) Gai ? :zaru

    I know I'm betting on the wrong people, but what do you guys think is more logical ? :dank
     
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    Is there a proof that Gai's attack would defeat Naruto even IF it landed? :lmao
     
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    That doesn't tell us anything..? And can't be the base of anything.

    Itachi was killed before Pain invasion, was it to say Itachi would have taken down Pain if he knew he was going for Konoha?
    Jiraiya was also killed Pain invasion, that's enough to say Jiraiya>Pain?
    Tsunade wasted all her chakra on healing instead of fighting. Coincidence?!

    Thinking they can counter is not the same as actually doing it.

    Obito was using Rinnegan shared vision with Jins. They didn't even have a counter for that and just kept fighting as usual.
     
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    I've seen arguments such as "base gai was able to keep up with KCM Naruto in CQC , therefore 7gated guy easily blitzes KCM Naruto" not just here on NB as well :dank
     
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    7th should be able to beat Naruto, but if he doesn't start in SM, then it will be Crush. Guy is too fast in this mode and for sure won't let Naruto using SM.
     
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    @DaVizWiz is right. If Gai was in village, then he would wreck Pain and die due to using 8 Gates.
     
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    And then when you point out the retardation in these arguments you're a "hater". :dank
     
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    I never implied they had direct counters to the techniques.

    I implied the team was shown operating together in the war willingly, and they are more powerful than a weakened Pain, and would beat them outright.

    Gai & Kakashi are a team, they call themselves the masters, and Gai is constantly shown appearing in everyone of Kakashi's high level fights when he's within the vicinity (vs. Itachi & Kisame, vs. Deidara, vs. Obito, vs. Judara).

    There's also no argument for shinobi like Hiashi, Sakura and Shikaku, who were all in the village, being useless against the paths alongside Kakashi and Gai either, when Sakura can be shown as useful in a battle against the ultimate villain Kaguya, and Chiyo and Choza can be shown as useful against the two strongest Pain bodies in a battle prior to that.

    There's also the fact that the 8th gate would floor a full powered Pain, and Danzo could've quite easily aided Naruto in the battle for a mid difficulty win.

    The entire hype surrounding SM Naruto in the arc is illogical. He's strong, but he's not stronger than his village, not even close.
     
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    I never understand it because Gai's rival Kakashi was shown to only be able to beat a weakened Deva and Asura with help, though Naruto who was stated to had pushed Pein as far as he's ever been is somehow far beyond the reach of 7 gated guys strength

    It's as if Guy is only Kakashi's rival when it comes to Kakashi :fatcat
     
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    Can't the hyuga see Chakra signatures origin points and Chakra in general and yet neither Hinata or the other hyuga dude could see the peins getting their Chakra from somewhere? Was that coincidence.
    Peins paths who are weak against taijutsu face no resistance from hiashi or any higher hyuga...Coincidence??
    And saying Itachi was killed means he can defeat pain is a strawmans argument. It is as saying hayate gecko was killed earlier because he could have stopped orochimaru during konoha crush if he lived... Pure bullshit.
    Team guy and the other hyuga had the job of saving the village if they were there and were a good option against the pein paths which ran around the city and yet weren't there... Coincidence....
     
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    Some type of ninjas do better than other types against certain opponents.. For a guy who can absorb ninjutsu.. Guy is obviously a better option than Kakashi. Simple logic.
     
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    You think 7G Gai = Pain Arc Kakashi?

    :sauceskully

    The dude who beat :dupe, in an ocean, without a scratch, in one panel, is Pain-Arc Kakashi level?
     
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    Gai was just a really bad match up for Kisame.
     
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    You don't think he's a bad matchup for Pain?

    He's faster than all of the paths and has two high speed AoE techniques that cannot be absorbed by Preta Path, one of which one paneled Kisame and Madara.
     
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    Show me. Because I've been on most Gai threads and haven't seen this Sannin level type of exaggeration.

    However, Gai proving to be way better than KCM Naruto in Taijutsu skills is a fact. Let alone 7th Gated Gai vs KCM.

    Of course, that doesn't mean KCM Naruto wouldn't stomp him.
     
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    No. I don't think he's a bad match up for Pain who is too versatile.

    Pain would rape Gai. One boss size ST and Gai is dust.
    Can't fight shared vision.
    Can't locate the chameleon.
    Can't tank any of Pain's offensive techniques.
    Can't fight for too long due to the drawbacks of the gates.

    For God's sake he can't even kill Cerberus lol.
     
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    Full knowledge makes this much closer than it would normally be.
    Guy is fast and powerful and would push SM Naruto to High Diff if he started off going hard which is totally IC against opponents high level opponents.

    Naruto has the juice and the durability to force his way through Gai's attacks. Morning peacock is just going to get negged by Rasengan variants as we've seen it do actual fire Jutsu.
    Rasenshruiken will be a one heck of a tornado when it eats afternoon tiger and shoves it up Guys ass, a thing he can use in close range as well.

    SM Naruto has also reacted to A3 and dodge/countered him well, as well as having blocked "third life's a charm" Madara blitzing him.
    Guy stands little chance of landing a clean blow in CQC without retaliation he can't take.

    Outside of Sage Mode, he is still able to throw hands with Deva Path, the path that just shanked Sharingan no Kakashi in moments while fighting else where in other bodies.
    He has the strength to break stone after being drained, the toughness to tank Shinra Tensei to the face using clones, a feat only matched before by V2 Naruto using tails, and most dangerous of all he is still on record as the trickiest SOB in th manga bar none.


    The ability to get out a boss summon to aid him with wide area attacks and stalling for SM recharges just makes it easier

    In sum Naruto has the ability to counter Guy or tank/dodge what he has, the stamina to keep going long past what Gai can handle in gates and Guy can't tank any of Naruto's hits so he has to pull off a flawless victory to win.

    And that's just unlikely.
     
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    Only the bolded is true. And the Cerberus thing as well.

    Gai's speed should exceed the one of FRS, whom animal Path couldn't keep up with. Gai's speed is far beyond Jiraiya, he wouldn't be as easily countered by Shared Vision by the same principle of Sasuke not keeping up with Lee even knowing his movements.

    Hirudora takes care of Chameleon anywhere it's hidden, as well as the paths who cannot counter it (if Deva doesn't dispel the blast. And either way it can explode as Madara's staff still made it explode, albeit not significantly.

    And it depends what you mean by "fight long" with the gates.

    Shinra Tensei + Shared vision, though, is another story.
     
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    He was never shown capable of using boss sized ST with 5 other paths out. He couldn't use it when they were weakened, which was the state of Pain during Naruto's arrival, and the state of Pain during this fanfic battle.

    The chameleon wasn't used against Naruto, it has no effect on Gai and Kakashi's ability to kill the other 5 paths because it's slow and a garbage offensive summon, and Kakashi can probably see it with Sharingan anyway.

    He doesn't need to tank attacks he can dodge outright. How do the paths even target him when they couldn't even hit a one armed, heavily wounded Jiraiya for an extended bout?

    Cerberus couldn't even kill Gamaken. That's easily avoided with Gai's speed or de-summoned by killing Animal Path, which SM Naruto achieved in a couple exchanges.

    What does weakened Pain do if Gai fires AT at them? What's their counter?
     
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    I'll dig, granted iirc the guy could have been trolling :hm

    Manga established them as rivals

    He can't dodge ST

    The one he used to incapacitate both Kakashi, Choji and Choza would suffice. I also hear no mention of Pein's summonings which guy would have to go through before he even thinks of getting to the paths, Cerberus can tank everything Guy puts out which essentially causes Guy to not only waste precious gates time but also exhausts him the same process
     
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    Pain doesn't even need a boss size ST to kill Gai. A regular one would kill him.
    Chameleon not being used against Naruto doesn't mean it won't be used against Gai. Pain used it against Jiraiya. Gai can't locate it. Pain can use it to blindside Gai then flatten him with ST. The chameleon not displaying any impressive offensive feats is irrelevant. That's not its purpose.

    Gai still has to worry about multiple summons attacking him from every angle including a three headed dog he probably can't kill. And a giant bird that Shurado might use to bombard Gai from above, all while suffering from the effects of the gates on his body. He would probably exhaust his energy killing the summons alone. And he can't fight in base either.

    This is an impossible mission for Gai unless he forces a stalemate with the Death Gate.

    The Gai wank is absolutely wild.
     
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    Lul wut... Hirudora is an attack that dwarfed turtle Island.. Rasen shuriken ain't doing anything to neg it. Guy can control its blast expansion.
    Asakujaku isn't a fire type jutsu either.
     
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    No it would not. It took several to kill Kakashi, and 7G Gai survived his own Afternoon Tiger to the face with nothing more than a broken arm.

    Moreover, Deva Path is weakened, he cannot use his powers for several minutes of this fight, including the garbage ST that Choji survived with no injuries.

    Kakashi can locate it with Sharingan, and it provides nothing more than a hiding spot for a single body, which serves as a bonus to Gai & Kakashi as they're weaker when separated.

    If Deva is put into the chameleon, Animal Path is the one killed in open combat by Kakashi or Gai, and all of the summons are now gone, including the one shadowing Deva Path.

    The summons have no speed features even close to 7G Gai. Why can he not simply move around them and attack the paths?

    This battle has less to do with Gai's power, and more to do with the teamwork of MS Kakashi & Gai, which you appear to be ignoring.

    Kamui headshots, Bunshin Feints & Digging Blindsides from Kakashi all occur during Gai's assault on the paths.
     
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    AoE does not mean power, that means then that Yagai is weaker than Hirudora :doge

    Asakujaku is fire lol
     
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