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So.... Is Conquerors Haki Not A Thing?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by RossellaFiamingo, Mar 21, 2020.

  1. RossellaFiamingo

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    We've got these characters on both sides talking about the number of fodder they have yet we know that there are at least 4 COC users in this coming raid.(Linlin, Kaido, Luffy, Kidd) 3 of those COC users can likely wipe out entire armies with a single blast (Linlin,Kaido,Luffy).

    Even during the flashback, Kaido and Oden were worried about fodder and their count.

    So, has Oda forgotten that COC exists or is he implying something else with how these characters aren't using COC?
     
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  2. Shiba D. Inu

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    this fodder can withstand it :LOS
     
  3. RossellaFiamingo

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    Fodders have tiers?
     
  4. Shiba D. Inu

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    yeah
     
  5. RossellaFiamingo

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    Illuminate me on this tier list.
    Aren't Fishmen on average supposed to be stronger than Humans? Why then are fodder humans > Fodder Fishmen?
     
  6. Amol

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    Plot.
     
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    Remember when Luffy KO'd fifty thousand fodders in Fishman Island? He and Kid will do the same on Onigashima. Together they'll KO 90% of the fodders so the Wano army could have a shot and not die.
     
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    A G4 Fist is a definite knock out.
     
  9. Jaap

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    I suppose an interesting question could be: who is the strongest person we've ever seen knocked out by CoC? Ever a named person?
     
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    Oda might come up with a plot contrivance to justify why it cant be used. Whitebeard could have evened out the odds before his men even touched down on Marineford, long before he got stabbed, magma-fisted or had a heart attack. But he didn't.

    Despite that I believe Luffy will probably use it to even out the odds.
    -His ratio was 50% in Fishman island so he can knock out at least 20,000 at Onigushima, which makes victory more probable.
    -If Kid supplements with his own CoC the # might be higher
    -Even if Kaido & BM use it, I doubt the samurai will be as affected since they're better warriors and more willful than the beast pirates.
    -Fishmen are 10× stronger than the average human but can still be just as weak-willed. Being born with an advantage=/overcoming adversity to strengthen yourself. I wouldn't say Luffy has more difficulty KO'ing Fishman than he does humans
     
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    CoC wont be used everytime.

    Or wont work everytime.

    Not everyone fainted when shanks arrived.
    Same when luffy used his own in MF.
     
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    Fishmen are physically stronger. It got nothing to do with that. It's haki. It's spirit.
     
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    the chad human potential vs the virgin fishmen
     
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    Resisting CoC is all about willpower, and fishman have no willpower. It's why dumb fish always fall for obvious bait.
     
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    If that was the case half the pirates and marines would have been Ko'd at marine ford.
     
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    Big moms daughter the one who shot Luffy during his fight with Katakuri is the strongest named charcter that has been knocked out.

    Although you could argue since both Katakuri and Luffy were trying to knock her out it doesnt count.
     
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    CoC depends on the strength of will. I assume that samurai are courageous and strong willed,so even on fodder CoC shouldn't work at all.
     
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    Its also cooler for Luffy and kidd to smash things then COTC blast.

    So as amol said plot.
     
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    CoC is overrated until we see more
     
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    From SBS of Volume 65:
    D: Luffy's haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo

    O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out.
     
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    confirming CoCo is useless vs top-tiers and even high-tiers
     
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    Remember Shanks making crew members of Whitebeard pass out, well Luffy is no Shanks yet
     
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    What's that got to do with anything? It just means Shanks and Rayleigh got better Haki lol
     
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    Bepo is fodder but you cant CoC him
     
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    Ppl misget the CoC meaning.

    It is not an high tier fighting ability, but an ability only potential top tiers have.

    Those who have it can potentially use haki (CoO, CoA) to them full power, like Ray, Roger and co.
     
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    those who dont have it - can too

    like Mihawk having the best CoA of all current living characters ;)
    or Prime Garp being PK-tier in haki
     
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    Imo ofc both have CoC.

    Also,



    I'd even add that Mihawk may have the best Haki skills with Shanks.

    Hence the best CoC. (No lewd here, I mean yes but no).
     
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    I meant to quote Corax actually, my bad. But I thought you also were saying that defending against being knocked out by CoC comes down to the defender's will alone.

    Anyway, the thing I wanted to bring up was the thing from Oda that one of the requirements of knocking someone out with CoC is that there needs to be an overwhelming difference in strength between two people. It's shonen commen sense really, but it's good to have it so clearly spelled out by Oda.
     
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    The moment was meant to establish some semblance of competitive spirit between the AH3. If Law had fodder patrol Haki too then I could see Oda having all three of them use it, but even then they were competing for kills, so they would probably still want to take the fodder out manually than use Conqueror's Haki and not be able to keep score.

    It was clearly a "I'm gonna abuse more practice dummies than you" mentality.
     
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