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So...new War's a brewing...

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by SuperSaiyaMan12, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    If anyone has been following the latest Shinden novel...looks like the Daimyo's are AGAIN fucking up the world's peace and are forcing Iwagakure and Kirigakure into a corner so they have to invade the Land of Flowers which is protected by Kumogakure. Seriously, by the time of Naruto, why are these fuckers still in power when they have no idea what really happens on the continent? They all should have been wiped out by Black Zetsu so the Shinobi could replace the aged Daimyo system.
     
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  2. Reviewing Logic Peekaboo I see you! ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    I feel Kara will be heavily involved in this

    Kashin Koji said their plan/vision is already in gear and nothing can stop it

    and we learnt in the anime that the elite of the land of water are stirring shit up to be able to push for expansionism

    so the first spark will happen there more then likely

    the fire damiyo was in talks to try and prevent the other shitty damiyos from pushing for this

    he seems to be the only reasonable dude so far... I feel he is going to get assassinated because of that

    the age of shinobi will be over, the system is outdated, the damiyo are outdated
     
  3. Wrecked Baloney NOES

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    It will probably be averted, though. The novel isn't done yet.
     
  4. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    If a new fucking war of ANY kind, aside from a full on alien/Otsutsuki invasion that they have no say in whatsoever, breaks out in Borutos series, i am calling the BIGGEST bullshit of all time.

    That would be a monumental regression of the ENTIRE WORK OF FICTION given Narutos entire goal was to end wars and shinobi conflicts...

    Even the fucking THREAT of a war between elemental nations is bullshit at this point

    And if any of you Boruto apologists wanna white knight that shit, and say how that wouldnt be a massive disservice to the character and the work known as "Naruto" and is somehow "good writing"...Yall need help.

    If THAt of all things wont make you realize how fucking flawed this work is, nothing will aside from making Naruto Uzumaki a fucking main antagonist and an arc villain...And even then a few of yall would probably fucking defend that as well :lmao

    Might as well have had Sauce win at VOTE2 and start his revolution plan...At least that would have had the benefit of being ballsy on Kishi's part to shaft the main character so late in the game like that...Sure its kind of a disservice to the character of Naruto, but so is another war breaking out and Naruto failing to uphold his ideals as Hokage :slurp
     
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  5. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Its an interesting plot point, what would it take to throw away the well fought peace. Reading more of the novel...there's a very human need happening which is pushing Iwagakure into war: food. There is a famine, either engineered or one that was being built up, happening right now in the Land of Earth. The Daimyo is either too stubborn, too stupid, or being controlled by Kara to try to get a treaty.
     
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  6. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    If you can stomach a mammoth amount of regression that effectively makes the entire climax of Naruto and Sasukes characters in the War Arc meaningless...As well as all resolution of conflict made in the end of the prior manga ALSO meaningless...Sure i guess? :drake
    With all 5 great nations, and who knows how many minor ones, actively cooperating with one another this is a nonissue that Kurotsuchi can solve with a single phone call to Naruto or any other Kage...

    Or SHOULD be

    If anyone writing this could comprehend the prior series, theyd understand that famine is not a proper cause for war in even the most remote sense given the current setting of the Naruto world that the previous Manga left us with
     
  7. Reviewing Logic Peekaboo I see you! ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    idk if it is non shinobi vs shinobi then it might be something different

    of course if handled poorly like the last war arc then it would be terrible

    instead it could be riots and uprisings and assassinations and rebel groups

    not some organized nations duking it out
     
  8. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Dude, read the novel yourself before making dumbass comments.
     
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    Sounds to me like Naruto needs to pretend he doesn't know anything while Sasuke decapitates some Daimyo...
     
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  10. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    Try reading the fucking manga the novel is based on before you think you have any right to talk down to people kiddo

    Cuz you clearly dont know what the fuck youre talking about if you think "food shortage" in a single village is a valid fucking reason to negate basically the entire resolution of the Naruto manga as a whole

    And you also seemingly dont know how international fucking cooperation works if you think war is the next step after such a nonissue

    Like jesus dude, wake up

    I didnt expect to deal with an apologist this goddamn quickly after posting my comment but i guess i shouldnt be surprised
     
  11. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    Or do it himself and blame it on Kabuto or Orochimaru :kermit

    But yeah, also delegating to Sasuke would solve this in literally 2 seconds
     
  12. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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    Dude, I am a huge Naruto fan. Look at my fucking avatar. Yet you continually bash and whine about this instead of actually READING ABOUT HOW AND WHY ITS HAPPENING! Eight chapters are all up on Reddit and you can see how the options you keep pointing out aren't available, and ignoring Kara or the fucking Daimyo being a dumbass-if the Daimyo are doing this...what should shinobi DO? Who do you think they work for?
     
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  13. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    Who doesnt know how the manga ended apparently :slurp
    I dont fucking need to know

    Because i understand the setting, and the entire premise of the fucking SHINOBI WORLD AS A WHOLE prior to the novel being released...

    And it makes no fucking sense for a war to break out over ANYTHING anymore...Especially not over a fucking nonissue like crop failure in a single land...When ALL 5 OF THEM ARE WORKING IN TANDEM NOW BECAUSE THAT WAS NARUTOS ENTIRE FUCKING GOAL AS HOKAGE WHICH YOUD KNOW IF YOU WERE " a huge Naruto fan look at my avi"

    Like...Why are you incapable of retaining this information? Cuz ive said it twice before now and you still dont get it.
    Them not being available from a writing standpoint makes no fucking sense

    And to add insult to injury, shits on the previous series

    Thats what you arent getting

    The writing may very well be there, but its fucking pathetic writing. Also...You apologists (and the writers themselves) HONESTLY expect avid readers of the series to buy that the Kage and Daimyo of a country didnt notice a NATION WIDE FOOD SHORTAGE until it was already too fucking late to even ask for help?

    And WAR was their ONLY OPTION?

    Really?

    And then you DEFEND that?

    And call ME THE DUMBASS?

    Done with your ass already kid
    Literally anything :drake

    Did you miss the part where LITERALLY EVERYONE in this franchise is a TRAINED SUPERNATURAL KILLER ASSASSIN?

    Are you aware the numerous fucking ways they could go about simply investigating and outing a corrupt official WELL before he does any damage at all? AVERAGE Shinobi have to be able to detect fucking MIND CONTROL nigh instantly in battle on the regular, but you think a shady Daimyo is beyond Kurotuchi, the fucking KAGES ability to sniff out before he endangers thousands of her people?

    Ignoring outing him, and speaking of mind control, are you aware how fucking easy itd be turning him back to their side if he was flipped? Youre aware Villages having fucking TORTURE CORPS right? And fucking genjutsu specialists? And since there is international cooperation...Kurotsuchi could enlist Konohas aid to get the fucking Yamanaka clan to pick around the Daimyos brain, or lend her fucking SASUKE who has the GODDAMN RINNEGAN and could mindfuck anybody inside of half a second...

    Like...The fact ive gotta point this out is ridiculous
    Any key political figure is working for teh good of their PEOPLE as a whole

    And a corrupt Daimyo killing thousands of your people isnt good for them

    You are acting like espionage, sabotage, and assassination are foreign concepts to the naruto world or something...

    Especially in this case when its for a just cause

    Actually...If memory serves, youre the same guy who argued with me over whether or not the part 1 kids were Chunin level...When its blatantly fucking stated they were...

    And you did so by making up shit at that time as well

    Good talk :slurp
     
  14. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    This reminds me of Star Wars...we are fucking lazy so we are going to take the ending of Naruto or Return of the Jedi and fucking shit on it...why because we are too lazy and hackish to come up with some good fucking ideas. And I thought more Aliens were bad, this is even more offensive as it undermines the fucking core of Naruto Series. So yeah the Heroes ended united on good terms but fuck them, they are old now time for Rey and Boruto are resident Mary Sue and Gary Stu to take center stage so what if Naruto or Luke have to be tossed under then bus.

    I agree fuck the Damiyos. There is no reason for another fucking ninja war over some crop failures.

    Didnt they give Moegi Moukton for no reason? Send her out there to grow some fucking crops. And have Sasuke pay these fuckers a visit.

    About the only positive here is I might get some fucking good Black Ninja and not have to put up with Bubbles the Wigga. But I rather not compromise the entire series to fix that shitstain.

    How does one even find these novels to read anyway?
     
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  15. WorldsStrongest Umu

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    Honestly, the worst thing about it all is the people like the OP who are ON BOARD with this travesty.

    And defend it as tho its not pissing on teh prior series...And act like they cant see glaring flaws or giant red flags of "Hey we are disney/the boruto crew and we will be face fucking your childhood this evening"
    Oh sweet merciful Christ did they really :hestonpls

    And i thought they went low before :lmao
    Apparently these amazing works of fiction that Boruto stans are reading now are on Reddit :gokuyeaboi

    Excuse me while i busy myself doing literally ANYTHING else than read something taht is shitting on a series i enjoyed in my childhood
     
  16. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    @WorldsStrongest yes they did for no good reason...the Bloodline that everybody wanted in one of Konohamaru's irrelevant flunkies.

    Such good ideas.
     
  17. SuperSaiyaMan12 The Seventh Hokage's arrived.

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  18. Hyuga Prodigy Well-Known Member

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    Naruto entire mindset for "eternal peace" are too unrealistic and childish even for fictional story that tries to cope in real world so it really don't matter if Naruto as a series were "ruined" since it already created messes so now Boruto painting new pictures. It's the story of the new generation underlying the modern world problems and politics which should be the most logical approaches.
     
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    I mean Naruto never really had an answer of how to end war in the first place...

    Besides when a bunch of parasitic aliens exist that want to eat your world having some battle hardend warriors around is pretty important.
     
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    I've heard Shikamaru "acts" like Danzo in this novel, like threatening to strangle Chojuro & Kurotsuchi with his shadows, if they do anything that could break the peace. That's pretty OOC, he never shown that kind of attitude in the Manga nor the Anime.. i hope this novel is non-canon.
     
  21. Yagami1211 The Dragon of Dojima

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    I'm failing to see how all of this is bad. As long as it serves a purpose and break the statu quo, it's good.

    That sounds interesting to me.
     
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  22. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    Nor does him being strong enough to beat both of them at the same time...heck he shouldn't even be able to beat one of them.

    Also while Kurotsuchi has been rather aggro...Chojuro seems pretty laid back.
     
  23. pat pat Well-Known Member

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    Novels aren’t canon tho, so they can do any bullshit in it
    Eternal peace is retarded.
     
  24. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Politics. :smoke

    Seriously, I'm surprised that everyone was getting along so well for so long.

    It was a matter of time for some people holding grudges to become a huge terrorist group against pro-peace leaders, for some high ranking politician(s) to attempt to make his/hers country stronger at the expense of another, some ninjas who remember fondly the less kind times to step up and work to return things to how they used to be OR ninjas being unhappy about many losing jobs due to there no longer being conflicts and so no longer earning enough to feed their families.

    Naruto alone making everyone agree with everyone and love everyone? Lol...right.
     
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  25. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Shikamaru wanted to become to Naruto what Tobirama was to Hashirama.

    And we know what attitude Tobirama had to those who threatened the village.

    He is different from Danzou though in that he wishes no political power for himself for its own sake(plus he cares for all villagers and wouldn't sacrifice anyone to strengthen his position).

    But even good guys can be ruthless.

    Jiraiya in the original manga outright threatened Tsunade with death if she did anything that might put the village at risk. Is he like Danzou too?

    Hashirama while stabbing Madara with his sword said something similar to what Jiraiya told Tsunade and even added his own kids among those he would would kill if they attempted to harm the village. Another Danzou?
     
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  26. King1 The one true King

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    There is no such thing as ETERNAL PEACE, that's just absurd. The peace that naruto worked for was bound to fall apart, i mean we are talking about a guy who has no idea on how to achieve peace, so how can he know how to uphold peace. The peace in naruto is still going on because of naruto, he is the soul of Five nation alliance, with Kage who are yes men to everything he says, so there will come a time when said kage have to put their nation's interest as priority above the agreement they made with naruto.
     
  27. Derael Well-Known Member

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    I was expecting this. This eternal peace was ridiculous even in fiction, especially since Naruto NEVER gave any answer to how to establish it. He didn't know during his talk with Pain and he didn't know at the end or at least, nothing was told to the readers. We're supposed to believe that it just happened
    This peace is just because Naruto is a world hero, that's it. Like Kurotsuchi pointed out, what will happen when Naruto isn't there?
    Anyway, peace was supposed to be in the shinobi world. Naruto can't control the Daimyos and there will always be conflit even within civilians. Naruto can try to bend over and beg the Kages like he did in ch.8 but how is that supposed to resolve the Daimyo conflit?
     
  28. Hussain Well-Known Member

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    What Daimyo conflict?
    Those characters are completely and utterly irrelevant. :mjlol
     
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  29. Derael Well-Known Member

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    Daimyos have been at the center of conflit in universe. First, they were involved in Kiri and now, the Daimyo of the Land of Earth wants to invade the Land of Flower, creating tension.
    Do you even read these novels? If not why are you even here, talking about something you don't know. Smh.
     
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  30. Skaddix Well-Known Member

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    His point is they are irrelevant in the Manga, you know the core material.
     
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