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So where is the "Official statements=canon" crew now?

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Juub, Dec 31, 2018.

  1. Juub

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    Because we just have yet another gem of an "official statement" that claimed some of the biggest bullshit I've ever seen.

    V-Jump claimed SSJ3 Goku and Buuhan are on the same level. V-Jump is published by non other than Shueisha so that's canon. All of you who stood behind the Vegeto=Gogeta because of that statement need to go back to debating school.



    Either Buuhan=SSJ3 Goku which makes Kid Buu>Super Buu(something I've always stood behind).
    or
    Vegeto>Gogeta(something else I've always stood behind).

    Whichever path you choose, I end up being right(like always).

    So please, come here and explain your reasoning to me. I shall be waiting. Don't make me tag the lot of you.

    I always said if it doesn't come from Toriyama or the manga, it amounts to nothing but I was vehemently opposed. Well here is something for all of you who doubted me. I accept reps as a form of compensation.
     
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  2. Juub

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  3. Dr. White

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    Gohan was the strongest single fighter. Canon.

    If you think Gohan + Super Buu is weaker than kid buu purged of his power ups which were the whole point of most of the arc, then isk what to tell you famski.

    Goku straight up says fusion is what is needed to beat Buu, which is why after they defuse he ask vegita to do the dance instead of saying “oh shit I can go SSJ3!”. It makes no sense and is clearly contradictory to the actual manga.

    Gogeta > Vegito in pure power, vegito has more utility.

    Broly > Jiren.
     
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    You tagged the wrong person :mjlol
     
  5. Juub

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    V-Jump said Buuhan was equal to SSJ3 Goku. :hestonpls

    The publisher of V-Jump is Shueisha, same as Shonen Jump and the Dragon Ball manga. Shonen Jump said Vegeto=Gogeta and this thread is full of you standing behind Shonen Jump because they are official.



    And this is from you

    So huh what now?
     
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  6. Namikaze Minato Flash

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    You can’t even call that article a retcon. Just blatant ignorance of the original series. Why would Goku desperately seek fusion against Buutenks when he was on par with Buuhan? Why would he depend on the STRONGER Gohan (before he was absorbed) to defeat Buuicolo when he was on par with Buuhan? I’m no longer accepting these statements without putting them under extreme scrutiny...
     
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    Lmao. It’s not at all the same and this is clearly a blatant contradiction to the original source. You’re trying ao hard to pull out aome double standard when the two situations are completely different. One cleared up a longstanding problem with translations and gave us a dorect comparison between the fusions, as toriyama was introducing gogeta into the series as canon and thus the info is complementary to compare.

    This is some blatant hack shit that completely disregards the manga portrayal and blatant key plot points. As such it ahould be disregarded unless you believe thos thing > the whole buu arc in canonicity.

    In short: Another L my pal.
     
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    DB is probably the only fiction in existence where official statements relating to power scaling are meaningless.

    Tori could wake up tomorrow and say Zamasu is as strong as Black :torilol
     
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    I got nothing juub. checkmate for u.
    :oldshrug
    I can however clarify that i accept secondary statements as canon because i believe them to be a higher authority. And in most cases i scale them to the anime like directors statememts regarding goku black. V-jump on ssj roses power. Etc., jirens power on the website, explanation for trunks power, brolys power.

    My reasoning for accepting potara=fusion is due to me making it anime exclusive given this movie goes off where the anime left appearantly. Heck almost if not all statememts i agreed with where to me anime exclusive. Same with vegeta=goku kkx20.

    They werent that outrageous for the most part to me. I mean goku black bieng the strongest non fused character in the anime at that point in time was not outrageous. U could argue it to be the case even without said statememt.

    I meant i accept statememts unless they contradicted the primary canon wich to me is the manga. I could accept gogetas retcon because it was anime scaling amd just like kefla he featwise also gets some absurd scaling in his base form.

    But yeah i got nothing aside from that. Im simply leniant in regards to secondary canon statemenrs juub. Thats how i roll.
     
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    No doesn’t work. They both contradict the manga. You can’t have it both ways. Either you roll with both or you roll with neither. You can’t pick and choose. They were both written by some random dude who isn’t Toriyama. I straight up told you anything not coming from Toriyama was meaningless and here is some divine retribution for you.

    At first it was mental gymnastics trying to justify the writer’s bullshit now you realize you can’t defend it and you’re trying to take one while leaving the other.

    Official statements my ass.

    Refer to this thread:



    Keep moving the goal posts.
     
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    Tbh I don’t recall if i did I apologize
     
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    @Juub hold on bruh I check I never fully agreed with vegito=gogeta i posted info from herms who proved that vegito>gogeta
     
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    Which is fine...except this didn’t come from Toriyama...
     
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    Whatever intern wrote that article was on some crazy drugs
    But if we can't trust any official statements that aren't from Toriyama, then that means the whole UI Goku>Beerus thing isn't concrete anymore
    We also can't trust Broly being the strongest enemy they ever faced either.
     
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    Shit like this just makes things even more of a pain then it needs to be
     
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    It makes me hate what modern DB has become. I enjoy reading/watching DBS, but they keep making it a mess writing wise.
    I miss when the only confusing things in DB were wondering if Gohan was SS or SS2 against Dabura
     
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  17. Juub

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    At least back then we all argued over the manga. Now we argue over the manga, anime, statements, movies...
     
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    V jump are not the same ppl who said gogeta = vegetto iirc.

    the ppl who worked with toriyama on the movie said that , right?
    so one is a retcon and the other is some bullshit not even a retcon can make sense of it.
     
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    Shit like this is disgraceful
    By saying shit like this they’re literally ignoring evidence that’s points to goku being inferior to basic super buu
    Even the anime goku get his shit pushed in by buutenks and buuhan was as far stronger
     
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    Which just makes things far more complicated then it should be
     
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    No. It was Weekly Shonen Jump who said Vegeto=Gogeta.
     
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    ok.
    idk, i mean , i can take gogeta being equal to vegetto atleast can be reasoned.
    but buuhan = ssj3 will not make sense no matter how to put it.
    not even a retcon will save that.
     
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    I haven't really chimed in yet, but for the record; Yeah, this is a complete and total mess.
    Anyone else find it funny that we're getting it on the last day of the year?
    Well, in any case, let's hope Toriyama doesn't activate full senility and agree with it.
    This might be the biggest fuck up from an "official" source across the entire franchise.
    With guys like this, its no wonder Dragon Ball Heroes' powerscaling is so fucked too.
     
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    I only accept those statements that fit my narrative of how i want DB to be

    Sooo
    Come at me m8
     
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    Broly's case is supported by the Light Novel which retells Toriyama's full script.
     
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    On behalf of official statements enterprise I have entered this thread to make an official statement. This statement is official.
     
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    Biiiiiig “oof”

    Real big

    Anywho, Ill just say exactly what I always say regarding ANY secondary source on ANY topic I debate.

    If it fits with the series’s pre established lore and facts and shit, and its not contradicted by anything, then the secondary source is viable.

    If it doesnt fit with pre established shit, then its hot garbage.

    A guide or a director statement or promo material does not take precedence over AT or the main story...

    Vegito > Gohan

    And Buuhan > Goku

    Cuz thats whats in the MANGA.

    End of story.
     
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    Although

    Why are you standing behind that
    Whats the reasoning for it?
     
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    Fools will still believe those statements about Broly being the strongest as well.

    :mjlol
     
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