I was having a discussion with some people a few weeks ago, and the subject of violent pornography (which is banned in Australia) came up. They said that it was illegal because most of society thought that it was bad for society (without any real proof, IMO), so I thought that it was an example of tyranny by majority. They were indignant and said that there was no comparison between banning violent porn and slavery. They also said that most people now know that laws against sex in anything but missionary-style are victimless crimes that no one follows any more. So I asked where the victim was when consensual violent porn was made. She said that it could create a black market for real violence (which would be cheaper) and endanger people in 3rd world countries. The other guy then also linked it to snuff films (with real death and murder). If that's the case, then wouldn't violent movies encourage the same thing for them? Not to mention the shocked and desensitized censors in Australia who review all films and ban a few - should they be shuffled around every few years? Regardless, banning something harmless because of a potential 'niche' black market is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, IMO. Now, onto paedophilia. I agree that molesting and sexually abusing children is wrong, and those who do it should be punished. That said, such a goal is not achieved by targeting irrelevant issues, such as cartoon paedophilia (if anything, letting pedos look at this reduces real child rape by letting them get their jollies of something fake with no victims. Some people look at it because they wanted to have sex while they were younger teenagers). Also, the film Ken Park was banned in Australia because it had over-18s pretending to be under 16 and having sex. I didn't see a problem with this because they were over 18, and thus legally allowed to be in pornography. My cousin got angry and said "But they're pretending to be under 16, right? That's just wrong!" So, being 18 isn't enough to be in porn, you have to look over 18 as well? I thought these laws were based on mental maturity, not how old someone looks. Once again we have a law that protects no one and reduces civil rights.