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Space time Ninjutsu wont work on this

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Sage light, May 7, 2018.

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  1. Sage light Active Member

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    SusanOO, Golem, Shinshuusenju, Rinnegan wielder. Because this bypass space and time.

    - Kamui Kakashi afraid of blind Sasuke Susanoo.
    - Kaguya never use Amenominaka on Sasuke Susanoo.
    - Kakashi never use Kamui on Kaguya, the ocular Kamui. Kakashi use Rikudo power enhanced Kamui on Kaguya tail and Kaguya hand to warp to other world.
    - FTG wont work on Susanoo. Tobirama lived Madara time who had FTG but couldnt bypass Madara Susanoo. Madara earned power to evade Tobirama FTG after Hashirama absorbtion and still evaded due to Tobirama not be full power.



    -SusanOO, Golem, Shinshuusenju is spirit which is called god and is materialized through physical energy for SusanOO and Mokuton for Golem and Shinshuusenju. This cannot be warped because they is ethereal and defy our Space time.
     
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  2. TheOmega Real Nigga

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    Nah.
     
  3. Reviewing Logic Peekaboo I see you! ( ͡º ͜ʖ ͡º)

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    do they move in a plane?

    YES, so they don't defy space time.

    What makes Kamui not able to destroy it would be more of a strain on the user or lack of chakra to take away such a large object

    it doesn't defy space time and it isn't eternal

    nothing in Naruto is, they claim deities but are just lame ass powers.
     
  4. Iwanko Well-Known Member

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    Another good thread
     
  5. Sage light Active Member

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    No they are spirit. Hashirama call his Mokujin in literal translation as Wood soul and not Wood human. This is why space time is never as hyped as Hashirama/Madara/Itachi. Because SusanoO a spirit from the afterlife which appear as the castor guardian deity cannot be affected by real world space and time. The fact they are physical because they earn the physical energy of castor doesnt change the fact thier original form is spirit. The very fact Kaguya who didnt use Space time to catch Sasuke inside Susanoo should clear all doubt. Kaguya space time is strongest space time.
     
  6. Marsala The Ice-Cream Man Cometh

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    Kamui tore off an arm from the Gedou Mazou. Space-time ninjutsu should be able to zorch anything.
     
  7. Sage light Active Member

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    Thats a vague misconception. Space time Ninjutsu cant do anything it cannot warp spirit structures. Kaguya and Kakashi never bypassed or was afraid of Susanoo canonically respectively so they cant be warped. Gedo Mazo is just the shell of the Juubi and not the Juubi. Simple as that. And Kakashi could do it after getting a Kyuubi chakra enhancement and do you know what Kyuubi is? Kyuubi is a demon fox spirit. The chakra of the kyuubi has this spiritual nature which can enhance ocular perception and allow the user to warp non physical things which cannot be injured by physical attacks. Kakashi couldnt warp the Juubi why? Kakashi couldnt warp the Madara why? Kakashi couldnt warp the Kaguya with his eyes why? Because Juubi is a god. A god who created countries. You cant warp god attacks. Whoever possesses the jubi is a god. Whoever possess the Rinnegan is a god. Whoever possess the kyuubi chakra directly from the kyuubi can warp other biju. If you get kyuubi chakra from naruto or minato you wont be able to warp biju. Thier are gods and then there are demon spirits. Jubi is a god. Kyuubi is a demon spirit. Along with other bijuu. Shinshuusenju is a god. Golem is a god. Wood dragon is a spirit accompanying golem the god. Kamui wont ever work on things like this. Kamui would only work on wordly space things without amp.
     
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    Whattttt........get some rest..
     
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    Kakashi warped away a Susano'o arrow, and Kamui and Hiraishin had no trouble warping Truth Seeker Balls which are said to nullify ninjutsu. The reason we don't see teleportation spam on things like Susano'o is because the Susano'o can regenerate, so focusing your attacks on teleportations is a bad idea.
     
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    Space time ninjutsu will work on anything that exists physically which Susanoo does when used. Mei's acid mist wouldn't have melted Sasuke's ribcage susanoo otherwise.
     
  11. Sage light Active Member

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    Susanoo arrow is Susanoo's chakra. Susanoo is a spirit god deity. Kakashi couldnt warp Susanoo head and Sasuke was blind and weakened. Susanoo cannot regenerate it has to go from one stage to other or disperse and be summoned again. Because its a spirit.

    Truth seekers were warped after he gained kyuubis spirit chakra. Kyuubi called a spirit in Manga and all bijuus are which is why he could only warp hachibi after recieving spirit chakra directly from kyuubi.
    Physically is two things which we cant interchange in a world such as Naruto. Just because they are physically existing in this space doesnt mean they are connected to this space. Do you get my point? Kaguya is physical, Pain was physical yet Kakashi never warped him why? Because the Rinnegan is a god. And your example doesnt work here when Mei had to use her acid after chojuro striked his Susanoo. Do you know that Hiramekerai is a spirit weapon? It damaged the physical spirit part of Susanoo which made it susceptible to a earthly attack like Mei mist. We should all remember the fact Susanoo doesnt forget injuries and the type of injuries which is the tactic Raikage lightened with Onoki spirit technique and Tsunade byakugo which is a spirit seal combined attacks broke Susanoo. Because spirit plus spirit equal to god. Susanoo is deity which also means a god. If youve doubts ask me I'll clear it.
     
  12. Sage light Active Member

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    If youve doubts ask me.
     
  13. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    Susanoo isn't a spirit, or a deity that the Uchiha summon. It is not an entity with its own will, or chakra. Don't take the Data Book's hyperbole of the technique so literally.

    Susanoo is a materialization of the user's chakra. This is why Ōnoki is awed by Kanseitai Susanoo—that such a large construct of chakra could be further stabilized so.

    And yes, Jikūkan Ninjutsu would work on it just fine.
     
  14. BlinkST Now we even:catwalk

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    I ain't never seen somebody be so wrong on all counts. Shit's like a superpower or something.:skully @Klue get in here:catwalk
     
  15. Sage light Active Member

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    It have a will but it doesnt have human like intellect like Biju and its a spirit summoned. Spirits with will are the Kyuubi, Jubi and tailed beasts. Jikukan ninjutsu is absolutely useless against it.
     
  16. Sage light Active Member

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    So whats wrong in the thread? Only absolute facts.
     
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    FTG might work on Susanoo. But Kamui wont. FTG is a god space time jutsu which means a spirit technique. Its called 'Flying thunder god technique'. Note the fact whenever something is called god then it has spirit in it.

    Rinnegan makes kamui utterly useless. You can watch Kakashi vs Pain to confirm that.

    Its not simple Wood construct. Its a spirit imbued in the wood construct. Kamui wont work on spirits. It didnt work on Kaguya no need to assume it'll anywhere else.

    Obito never saved Susanoo Sasuke. Go read the manga. Sasuke was immobilized by curse mark and destabilized Susanoo.

    Minato and Tobirama had to merge space time to attack Juubito. Because he possessed Jubi and Rinnegan at the same time.
     
  18. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    I will repeat, once more, that it has been identified as a manifestation of CHAKRA. The only instances in which it is inferred to be more are present within the Data Books, amongst the exaggerrated wording 'n hyperbole that most everybody has come to recognize it as.

    There are no implications of it having its own will—rather, it is clearly manipulated, and developed in its stages of materialization by the users' will. The Jinchūriki's Bijū transformations are much closer to what you're talking about, and while Susanoo may be able to compete in terms of power in its final stages of materialization, it is nothing like a Bijū—it is not a distinct entity. It's just a construct of chakra, and chakra can be affected by Jikūkan Ninjutsu.

    Which piece of the Data Books' hyperbole would you like to pass off as fact next? Shinobi moving faster than the speed of light? Enton being hotter than the sun, or some kind of otherworldly flame that Sasuke and Itachi summon through their eyes in spite of the fact that it is identified as a Nature Release that emanates their own chakra? :sag
     
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  19. Sage light Active Member

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    Its not hyperbole because I gave proof. I have shown what has happened in the Manga and correlated it with whats stated in the Databook to prove a point.

    It doesnt have a will like the Biju, but it has a form of sentience which allow it attack the caster's enemies. For example we cant mentally control things in NV we should use hand seals. Susanoo can move and act without hand seals made by castor. It cannot regenerate. Chakra made substances can regenerate with more chakra added to it. Its called a guardian deity and anything called a deity is a spirit.
    Spoiler:

    There's a reason why Susanoo can boast perfect flawlessness in its offense and defense: the spiritual weapons it holds in both hands. The Sword of Totsuka* in its right hand, which will mow down any kind of enemy, and the Mirror of Yata*, upon which all attacks will bounce back. Substantial or spiritual, and then ninjutsu or physical attacks lose all kinds of significance before the god's efficacy.

    Captions

    -In the pupils that grasp the principles behind Heaven and Earth, dwells the valorous sword-wielding, shield-bearing Aragami***!!

    -Protecting its caster, it destroys the enemy!

    -In its left and right hands are held the unparalleled, wondrous Sacred Treasures* of virtues miraculous.

    Picture comments

    -Only those who have carried mastery of Mangekyou Sharingan - the doujutsu feared by those around it as the strongest - to its extremes will come onto the god's territory. A guardian deity to its caster, it eats away their life at the same time.

    -The sake flowing out of the gourd assumes the shape of a sword, becoming the Totsuka! In addition, the souls absorbed by it are sealed there.

    -The Sword of Totsuka
    One swing of the Sword of Kusanagi* has the power to throw the people it stabs into an genjutsu world of intoxicating dreams, and seal them away for eternity. The sword itself carries a fuuinjutsu.

    -The Mirror of Yata
    The substance-less spiritual shield. Endowed will all Nature Alterations, it changes its own attributes in response to the attacks it receives, making the jutsu ineffective.


    -----> Third Databook.

    Amaterasu being hot as sun is talking about spiritual heat. Amaterasu never even emits heat or there would be one statement exclaiming how hot it is.

    Amaterasu is a fire which has life from another dimension like Kamui. Amaterasu was not absorbed by Nagato. The proof posted in OP prove the point.

    Kamui enhanced with Rikudo power couldnt warp Kaguya. Kakashi had to merge it with Shuriken and Raikiri.

    Raikiri is a spiritual attack.



    Perfect Susanoo's Shuriken is a spirit weapon like Madara's Sword which cuts all things in creation.

    When Manga says 'power' it indicates spirit power. Rikudo power is a spirit power. Rikudo powers enhance ocular powers - Kakashi.

    The databook states --->
    Kamui power dwelling in Raikiri.

    Thats why it worked on Kaguya. Spirit enhanced attacks only work.

    Spoiler: Mokujin Databook

    Mokujin no jutsu (literally wood human)
    Ninjutsu,kekke-genkai,no range,defensive,offensive.
    Users:Hashirama Senju/Zetsu.
    Descending God,that makes everyone get crushed by their karma(repent for their sins)!

    God of shinobi Hashirama Senju was very good at ninjutsu. By given chakra to make wood (wood release) grow faster,to take shape into very big/gigantic mokujin. The giant excels in defense and offense,and has strong physical attacks.During the battle with Madara it was on par with 9-tails. Mokujin head also can be a protective shelter for Hashirama, turning itself into defense of unrivaled sturdiness.
    Picture: Hashirama used this jutsu to catch and return back bijudama with just one hand. Jutsu only achieved because of Hashirama s naturally (literally chakra reserves in gene cells) large chakra.


    Another God jutsu---->

    Its stated god. Its a spirit. Only spirits can face Kyuubi and Susanoo. It blocked the attack because its a spirit.
    Hashirama's Shinshuusenju is a god

    Thats why it could destroy the Susanoo spirit armor covering Kyuubi.

    Kamui wont work against this: they exist in space time but are disconnected from it. To connect them we need spirit chakra from kyuubi/Rikudo power.



    Kyuubi is a spirit.

    Kyuubi gave Kakashi his chakra directly. That chakra contains his spirit's power. Kakashi could warp other spirits like Eight Tails after recieving this.

    Kamui with Kyuubi spirit chakra could warp a spirit weapon Gudodama.

    Kamui couldnt warp Madara/Pain. Because they possess Rinnegan And possess Jubi . Which is called a god. With spirit chakra we can only warp one another spirit. Jubi + Rinnegan needs another spirit powerup. Like Kakashi got, The Rikudo power.
     
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    The only instance a jutsu has been related to an actual deity within the Narutoverse is with Hidan's Curse jutsu and it being connected to Jashin and for all we know, that whole thing could've just been a cult based on a rare jutsu. You really need to familiarize yourself with how hyperbole is used in fiction, particularly eastern works. Hyperbole doesnt mean that something is false or wrong, it just means it is grossly exaggerated. It's using grandiose words to emphasize a point. The point being in this case is that the jutsu used by these characters are on a whole different level than the ones seen previously or by normal shinobi. It's trying to point out that theres a qualitative difference that sets them apart from the rest. What makes Hashirama/Madara/Pain/Kaguya/the Jubi so special? They have powers and abilities that are so rare that they are beyond ordinary fighters. And in order to convey that, you can't just keep using the same language you would use to describe, say, the Rasengan. You can't just keep saying "this attack is really powerful". "Oh, this other attack here is also really powerful". "And this one here, yea thats really powerful, too". It makes no sense to use uniform language to describe obviously different classed jutsu. Especially when you get into jutsu that are above all the rest in its respected category, like Amaterasu which is said to be the highest level of Katon/Fire Release. How would you describe a jutsu like that? It's natural to use spiritual language, hell, it's even named after a japanese deity. But that doesn't mean that these jutsu *ARE* actual deities. I think I tried to spell this out to you in another thread, but eastern cultures generally don't have the same views or concepts about spirituality that western cultures do. What constitutes as a 'god' in west is not the same as what constitutes as a 'god' in the east. Spirits, inanimate objects, even flesh and blood people like you and me can claim deity. Emperors or other types of rulers were often portrayed as deities by their subjects or even claimed to be gods themselves. There can be overlaps between these cultural concepts, but theres generally too many differences for it to matter. You are taking this subject of spirit/god/guardian deity in the context of the Narutoverse probably way more seriously than the creator of this series (then again, I wouldnt put it past him if that was his intention). These arent gods or spirits or guardian deities. These are just really really really really really powerful jutsu made by the person's chakra.
     
  21. BlinkST Now we even:catwalk

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    If you had powers you woulda been closed this thread but you out the game now huh big bro:cat

    You keep trying to get out and we keep pulling you back in madafaka:catwalk
     
  22. SaiST 鎧袖一触 Retired Staff

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    It feels like trying to talk sense to a flat-earther, but I wouldn't have had grounds to close it, actually. :sag

    "spiritual heat"... Jesus. :facepalm
     
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    By spiritual heat I meant it consumes life energy of the victim. Dont take that literally. It eats lifeforce of a victim.
     
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    No this is the exact intention of the director. Any technique named 'god' has special properties which wont allow ordinary attacks to hurt it. I'm not talking about the names but the description.

    Kamui would have warped Madara otherwise.
     
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    Phase kamui is different from long range kamui. Its said phase kamui can warp users body parts unconciously. And that eye is called godly eye in databook.

    Long range kamui wouldnt work without kyuubi chakra and Rikudo power but short range kamui could phase through Susanoo if it gets one type of spirit chakra like Kyuubi chakra. Because its already godly eye but it has to get ethereal power up like the ethereal weapon Shuriken his Susanoo holds. He has to merge obito's phase kamui spirit power and Susanoo shuriken spirit power. Like he did with Raikiri a spirit attack + Phase kamui spirit power.

    Kaguya's Rinnesharingan negate eye kamui which is Kakashi didnt use it.
     
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    Ah, someone who is treating the Databooks like the Bible in lieu of actual manga evidence.

    Anyway, no one bothers using S/T techniques on chakra constructs because

    1) It would be a waste of their own chakra to try warping away a gigantic chakra construct

    2) The target could potentially dodge the S/T technique by dematerializing the chakra construct at any point in time

    3) As seen when Gaara yanked Madara out of his own Susano'o, Madara simply re-summoned it later.

    At the end of the day, it's not pragmatic to try using a technique like Kamui on a chakra construct or cloak.
     
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    OT: Well you're wrong as usual.
     
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    Youre just not willing to admit that ST is useless against God Beings.
     
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