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SSB Vegeta will have stamina issues in the movie

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by JayDZ3, Nov 4, 2018.

  1. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    Lotte/DBS Broly collab candies and cards have info regarding the movie



    I know this has been posted in the movie thread but seems important enough to make a thread. I guess this would be part of the reason why they are pushing ssg vegeta so much
     
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    I don't even get the point of giving Vegeta SSG outside of merchandising.
     
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    Yeah we had stamina issues at ToP as well.

    And look what happened
     
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    Another pathetic attempt of Toriyama to downplay Vegeta :hestonpls
     
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    In the ToP they didn't do much more than say SSB has more stamina issues than SSG does, and it really wasn't emphasized much more than that. If there is this huge emphasis that SSB has stamina issues in the movie, it's going to be hard to reconcile it.
     
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    TOEI mentioned repeatedly how Blue had stamina issues in Super. Goku mentioned it against Hit and it was mentioned throughout the TOP. Yeah, it wasn't shown as much due to TOEI's errors but it was an actual story point. So Toriyama keeping consistency with maintaining Blue with stamina issues isn't a retcon but continuity.
     
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    SSB suddenly having huge stamina issues is completely bullshit. It's probably the most spammed form in Super yet we're supposed to believe BS statement.

    They implied some drain throughout the series, but it was never a real issue.
     
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    What does TOEI's incompetence have to do with Toriyama's continued story themes? Just cause they didn't execute it properly [as usual] doesn't mean Toriyama isn't gonna keep his plot points.

    Look at the facts and come out of alternate reality for once.
     
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    Yeah they mentioned it but the "issues" didn't really ever manifest themselves in any tangible way other than the one scene against Dyspo where he changes to SSG back and forth because of it. It mostly isn't even an issue.

    You don't even know that Toei deviated enough from Toriyama's outline for this to even be a problem. This could have been, and probably, is a problem perpetuated by Toriyama himself because he approves everything and makes the main issues set in stone.

    That aside, Toriyama is no longer making the product completely by himself that becomes adapted, so he has to work with Toei and needs to corroborate what is within their joint story. He can't just go on a tangent and do what he wants while disregarding what had been done in Toei's anime.
     
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    this is a meme at this point

    >someone cites stamina issues for goker and vegetables
    >later go on fight in aforementioned stamina draining forms for extensive periods of time

    :catskully
     
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    Yeah, this is complete hogwash. It also validates Toyotaro's fans' belief that this movie will follow the manga and not anime continuity. Vegeta will use SSG for the simple reason that he wants to test Broly (similar to how Goku did with Jiren), not because SSB drains him.

    Also, how do we know it doesn't refer to SSBE? Of course, SSBE also didn't seem all that draining, but it's true that Vegeta only used it for about 15 minutes or less, and we never got told just what exactly that form is.
     
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    Vegeta could use it while he was extremely exhausted. SSBE might have the lowest drain after MSSJ.

    :mjlol
     
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    sorry lad, i had to do this :mjlol
     
  14. JayDZ3 Well-Known Member

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    He used ssbe after blowing himself up. If they try to pretend that form has stamina issues :catslam
     
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    Who said TOEI deviated from Toriyama? They clearly didn't, seeing how they have the Blue issues mentioned repeatedly. They just failed with the execution via bad writing. So if Toriyama continues that theme he isn't at fault for it.
     
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    You seem to be implying that they deviated from Toriyama by portraying the stamina issues to a lesser extent than he intended right? It certainly seems as though if it was intended to be the level of stamina issues that it has in the manga, Toei would have to make a conscious decision to go away from that. Both are "Toriyama's story" and the manga depicts it as being an extremely debilitating problem and the anime depicts it as a minor inconvenience.
     
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    No, I clearly said that TOEI followed Toriyama's theme about Blue's issues and that Toriyama is continuing it. So it shouldn't be a surprise to see it in the movie.
     
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    But if they present it as anything more than the minor inconvenience it was in the anime then it will produce continuity issues.

    It can't just all of a sudden be this catastrophic issue.
     
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    No, bad execution isn't gonna change the story point about Blue having stamina issues.
     
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    Such an old overused plot point. Kaioken has stamina issues. SSJ had stamina issues. SSJ3 has massive Ki drain. Be fucking original Toriyama for Christ's sake.
     
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    I hope this is one of those classic "bait and switch" sort of things from Toriyama where he makes us think this is going to mean shit, but it doesn't actually mean shit.
     
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    well you know what they say

    taxman-sensei cant let go of his goku boner
     
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    as the pg era nerds cry about the redberry and blueberry stamina issues/ki usage

    the CHAD SSJ4 form can maintain it's ki consumption/utilization for a large amount of time while taking advantage of the form's full potential


    :mjlol


    the only disadvantage mainly, is the straining when it is used for the combination of the Fusion Dance scenario, where the time limit of the fusion is downgraded to 10 minutes, despite the massive power it gains
     
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    This thread has absolutely nothing to do with SSJ4 and it is so strange that you brought it up
     
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    i do whatever i want, new Erkan :mjlol
     
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    I think it's hilarious you think I give a shit if you call me that.
     
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    The worst part about SSJB having stamina issues based on Toyotaro's manga is the fact that Goku chastised Freeza about having stamina issues in golden form in both the ROF movie and anime, only for Toyo and now apparently Tori to turn around and say that "nah, SSJB is basically SSJ3" despite it explicitly outlasting GF due to the form having no stamina issues.
     
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    They blamed freezer for not taking his stamina into account and trying anything against , they blamed him for not studying on his form to discover its issues , not for it having stamina issues.
     
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    Funny thing is... Freeza just in hell "meditating" get over his stamina issues

    Hail the true genius... Shin Goruden Furiza!
     
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