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SSJ2 Vegeta in the cell games

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  1. Duke Ysmir01 Manji Mandara - Muryou Taisuu

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    What would have happened if Vegeta went ssj2 after Cell killed Trunks? And how would history change, not only for the ending of the arc, but for both the Buu saga and Super?

    As every thread about Vegeta has a big chance of ending in a shitstorm, i want to keep it civil, guys. If you only come here to troll and insult Vegeta, then leave, ignore this thread. I don't want any trolling here.
     
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    He still would have lost to cell but he wouldn’t have needed the babidi boost to close the gap on Goku in Buu Arc (unless he knew about ssj3)

    Buu never happens, no fusions, no Ultimate Gohan which would suck
     
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    Is there a possibility that Vegeta, who never stops training, in the 7 years till the tournament and already starting from ssj2, would be able to achieve ssj3?
     
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    Cell would win
     
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    Cell was struggling against 50% gohan


    Vegeta ssj2 will destroy cell easily.
     
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    Because in your head ssj2 vegeta is equal to ssj2 gohan at his 50%.
     
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    Fuck is you guys smoking? Any SSJ2 would crush Perfect Cell.
     
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    OP said after Cell killed Trunks, which would imply this is Super Perfect Cell, not Perfect Cell since he got his Zenkai power up boost then. :thunk
     
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    Remember guys that this is not only about cell (which i remember was fighting 50% Gohan who is still there, so cell winning ain't possible), but what effect would ssj2 Vegeta have if he got it on the cell saga and had the 7 years to train with it.
     
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    My bad thought it was Perfect Cell. Then yeah Vegeta would likely lose.
     
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    It wouldn't change much because he'd still be weaker than SPC.
     
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    Guys, i am more interested on the AFTER Cell arc part:kermitthink
     
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    In Dokkan Battle, there is a card for Gohan who had attained Super Saiyan 3 because this was based off a scenario where Gohan kept training with Piccolo for seven years after the Cell Games. So I suppose its possible. If Toriyama had told us when between the Cell Saga and Buu Saga that Vegeta got to Super Saiyan 2, it might help.
     
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    We don't know how SSJ3 is actually obtained. Goku gained it in the afterlife as a dead being, while Gotenks got it due to being an OP fusion.

    But for the sake of this scenario, assuming he'd get SSJ2 as a result of Cell killing Trunks and he'd have this head start I believe he could achieve SSJ3 in that 7 year gap only under one condition: if he'd do what he previously did in the Android saga. Namely, try to ascend to a further form.

    After he had witnessed the power of the Androids first hand he decided to ascend past SSJ and find a more powerful form. He went in the ROSAT with Trunks for an year, but as Trunks himself said Vegeta unlocked his graded Super Vegeta form in just two months. And that's because his goal was to ascend and find a new transformation.

    If he'd have the same mindset during those 7 years then I think he'd no doubt obtain SSJ3 along the way.
     
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    Vegeta's SS form was much weaker than Gohan's if he achieved SS2 it would be much weaker than Gohan at SS2.
     
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    He would just find another way to make cell get stronger like before.
     
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    Spc was struggling against 50% gohan ssj2


    But he is stronger than ssj2 vegeta?
     
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    Vegeta would win but Vegeta would never archive SSJ3

    Not talented enough like he wasn’t talented enough at Cell games to train like Goku did instead of just pumping up his muscles

    And not this shit with SSJ3 is magical.

    Goku flat out said to Caulifla she can archieve it as well cuz of her talent
     
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    Yeah I do not buy vegeta would lose. Cell had a chance because of his free attack on Gohan.
     
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    Sasugae the power of SSJ wig rocker gun's n roses 90's style.
     
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    This.
     
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    Vegeta would of been weaker than super perfect cell and ss2 Gohan, so he would of pushed to obtain a higher form during the 7 year time skip like he did after Andriod 18 beat him. In the Buu saga there majin vegeta and ultimate Gohan would not have happend and Buu still awaken so that Vegeta and Goku could have a new fighter to challenge themselves.
     
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    50% SSJ2 Gohan is basically SSJ Gohan because SSJ2 is SSJx2.

    You really think SPC was barely SSJ Gohan level when Perfect Cell himself at full power would already piss on him?

    SPC fucked up healthy SSJ2 Gohan's arm and weakened him with a normal ki blast. There's no way he was that weak.

    Gohan has to have had some rage boost on top of his SSJ2 form otherwise it makes no sense.
     
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    Gohan was trying to save vegeta. So he was defenceless against cells attack


    If cell had attacked gohan with that attack gohan would have easily deflected that ki blast that was meant to kill vegeta.

    Cell has no chance against any ssj2.

    Also

    The way cell fought ssj1 it looked like he was at least 5 times stronger because gohan in ssj was pretty useless to do anything.

    So gohan only being twice as strong in his ssj2 form makes 0 sense.

    Since his ssj was absolutely no match for cell at all. Him being twice as strong shouldnt make cell bend over from one punch and puke out 18 from a kick.


    Power level doesnt work in numbers

    I honestly think x2 is bs.

    People complain about shitty power scaling in super when dbz wasnt any better.
     
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    Not much of anything changes

    Hed still be a nonfactor to cell

    Outside of contributing to the final KHH struggle, Vegeta isnt doing anything
    This is possible tho

    Vegeta already having SSJ2 would make up a huge gap during that 7 year period

    And given how far he came while starting so far behind Goku in teh Cell Games, its possible this version of Vegeta would be equal to Goku on his own merit in the Buu arc.
    Thats not true tho

    SSJ2 vegeta as of the Cell games would likely only be SSJ1 Gokus equal...MAYBE slightly superior

    Vegeta was shook by 50% of Goku at Korins tower...Implying 50% Goku>Peak Vegeta

    Doubling Vegetas power via SSJ2 would make him relative to Full Power Goku at best

    Hed get creampied by even a suppressed Perfect Cell as we saw how well a Goku tier opponent does against cell...And thats pretty good....When cell is suppressed.
     
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    And I give exactly 0 fucks about that SSJ2 is 2x SSJ which honestly I don't even know comes from.
     
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    Comes from the official Daizenshuu guides...

    And im pretty sure ive seen you use the SSJ1 multiplier from the same source plenty of times

     
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    Comes from the SEG if memory serves right and I give no fucks about the SEG either. Not that it would make any difference if it came from the Daizenshuu. Give no fuck about that one.
     
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    Thats not really an argument tho :catshrug

    Also the notion that a guy whos weaker than a literally half assing Goku doing anything to Cell who slapped Goku around with WAY less than his full effort is nonsense whether you buy the x2 multiplier or not.

    SSJ2s increase in power is also stated to be "dozens of times" in SUpers anime...Which lines up in teh same ballpark as the x100 figure given in the guides.
     
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    That the SEG is no authority is absolutely an argument. It's been "approved" by Toriyama which doesn't mean a thing. We know he doesn't care about all that stuff and did away with PL's ages before the Cell Saga. That some bum writer decided to run with 2x is cool. It's not said or even implied anywhere in the manga so it goes right on top of the trash pile of facts that have no basis.
     
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