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SSJ3 Goku (BoG) vs. Mystic Gohan and SSJ3 Gotenks.

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball Battledome' started by Omegas03, Jul 9, 2020.

  1. Omegas03

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    who wins?

    Round 1 is BoG arc Goku fighting against Team 2 in their Z selves.

    Round 2 is everyone at their BoG selves.

    Obviously, pre god ritual Goku.
     
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    Gohan stomps. BOG versions are the same as Majin Buu Saga versions, I think (unless you mean anime continuity)
     
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    Don't remember anything in particular that suggests Goku made any significant gains since DBZ.
    The team should easily win in both scenarios.
     
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    How long after was BOG? 1 year?
     
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    Six months IIRC
     
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    Goku isn’t winning this one then.
     
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    4 years actually
     
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    Then why would you think Goku’s PL remained static during four years?
     
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    I said he didn't make any significant gains, not that he's the same.
     
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    Which boils down to the same. When has Goku ever spent four years of his life without making significant gains?
     
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    If it weren't for him unlocking SSJ3 during the 7 years he spent training while dead he would only be slightly stronger than CG Gohan with SSJ2. Gohan himself was stronger than Goku in the same form but not massively so.

    Nothing suggests he's made any significant gains within those 4 years.
     
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    None of that is relevant because HE DID unlock not one but two forms during those 7 years so that certainly doesn't work in your favor. What matters is where Goku was before and where he ended up AFTER and every time, he ended up MUCH stronger whether through transformations or by increasing his base power.

    Except for the millions of precedents we have where Goku consistently gets much stronger over time but let's just pretend he's gone braindead and hasn't gotten much stronger over 4 years because we weren't slapped it with. How many times must Toriyama repeat something for it to be obvious?

    Nothing suggests Moro is stronger than Broly either, yet I see you claiming Moro is stronger simply because you follow the logic of new villain>previous villain(which might not even be true depending on how you look at it) and this is based on precedent alone so why can't you apply the same thought process for something much more obvious?

    You'd need something to suggest he didn't get far stronger in four years because assuming his overall strength didn't increase goes against simple logic, not the other way around.
     
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    Yeah, he got massively stronger during those 7 years and it's mostly attributed to him unlocking not one but two new transformations. He hadn't made major improvements to his base power considering he was only marginally stronger than Kid Gohan.

    The same can't be said for BoG Goku, who hasn't unlocked any new forms within those 4 years. I agree that saying he hasn't made any gains at all is wrong, but nothing suggests he's made any major improvements over his Buu Saga self.

    You are applying an analogy used for main villains, as far as I'm aware Goku is not a villain.
     
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    And again you miss the point. Goku before the transformations were introduced got massively stronger. Goku after the transformations were introduced still got massively stronger. It doesn't matter if he unlocks a new form or not, a new form is just another reason to explain why he got so much stronger, not to disprove that he can't get much stronger without one.

    If you've been tone-deaf about DBZ sure. Massive gains are made throughout the entirety of DB/Z and DBS but for some reason, there is a blank period in the Buu Saga where it stopped because it hasn't been smacked in your face.

    No, I'm applying the argument of precedence which you gladly use without evidence as far as movie villains are concerned but for some reason can't use in the manga when it's been established even more blatantly and hasn't once been untrue, unlike movie villains.

    You were also one of the guys advocating for the 1,000,000x increase during the TOP but four years had him remain relatively unchanged. Yes, it makes sense and is exactly how DB has always worked.
     
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    Sounds like he’s got more hype going for him than Gohan and Gotenks do in BoG
     
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    Where is that from?
     
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    The anime seems to suggest Goku got strong enough to the point he was the strongest of the fighters.
     
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    I think the bigger question is how rusty did Gohan become during that time. We know he isn't as committed to keeping up his training as the others.
     
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    DBS episode 2

    Probably just Toei hype though
     
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    His base form being weaker than frieza in BoG (unkeas this retconned) kinda throws a wrench in him matching Gotenks tho, cuz base Gotenks is definitely way above that at least

    Not sure about Gohan since he doesn't train and probably got weaker, but then again, in 7 years Goku got slightly stronger than Gohan in the same forms despite not being all that much weaker in the same form back in the cell saga.......
     
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    Vegeta

    Who didnt see Gohan or Gotenks fight nor did he ever sense them iirc

    So thats pretty contentious at best
     
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    Vegeta was up to date with everything because he watched the whole thing from the afterlife
     
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    He saw Goku and Evil Buu from the afterlife so why wouldn’t he have seen Gohan and Gotenks as well?

    Seems to me he was watching most of the big events.

    Edit: Ninja’d.
     
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    That statement seems more in regards to the accomplishments of beating someone like Majin Buu himself.

    But it’s wrong anyway cause Buu was defeated by a Super Spirit Bomb which was an effort on a planetary scale and not only.
     
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    It’s wrong because it implies Majin Buu was the number 1 in the universe when it was Gohan.

    But it’s also from the anime where Toei had Kid Buu probably stronger than Gohan.
     
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    In Toei’s version Gohan is weaker than Kid Buu

    he didn’t seem confident at all that he could protect the Earth from being destroyed by Kid Buu if Goku and Vegeta failed

    He and Piccolo also sensed Goku and Kid Buu battling all the way from Earth
     
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    Just like how SSJ Goku could beat Ultimate Gohan inside of Kid Buu or how SSJ Vegeta could demolish SSJ3 Gotenks in the same fashion

    Makes perfect sense! :mjlol
     
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    Meh

    Its late (early? am here now) and Im drunk

    Regardless the statements stupid as beating Kid Buu isnt an accolade that puts one above 2 dudes above Super Buu anyway

    And its doubly stupid because Goku didnt beat him solo and actually needed to use a notable (potentially the lions) share of Gohan and Gotenks power in the GD to do it ironically
     
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    Was it only planetary? Didn't Goku also use energy from beings in otherworld too?
     
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    That's why I said not only. It's at the very least planetary
     
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