Discussion in 'The NF Café' started by Masterblack06, Apr 16, 2019.
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Stalin's 29-year rule represents 39% of the Soviet Union's total history, so how you feel about him is probably going to be intimately related to how you feel about the USSR generally.
Over here in the PRC I don't think there was ever an official de-Stalinization. You can still find his (few) books on the shelves for canonical Marxist works, placed between those of Lenin and Mao.
A good number of Russians also idolized Hitler that on his birthday: skinheads are actively searching for non-whites and Caucasus people to beat up.
Which is ironic since Nazis hated Slavic people.
How about Plato’s “Socrates”dialogues. Some have strong hints of Communistim. Are they popular down there?
They're not canonical, if that's what you mean. But of course if people want to privately link them to Communism that's OK.
The canon is Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Deng, Jiang, Hu, and Xi. These nine guys are considered "infallible" for policy purposes. You're not supposed to openly contradict them.
Whereas you're allowed to disagree with Plato.
Stalin was the leader during Russia's peak and his Red Army played a major role in possibly the most important conflict ever. Also, unlike Hitler, he did not have an epic and embarrassing downfall and managed to leave Russia in a good position when he died. Inevitably there will be a lot of people who like him in spite of how vile he was.
Do he get 125%
Last time i checked his approval was 120%
There’s definitely a Soviet nostalgia going on.
I'd argue that the USSR's peak was Gagarin's spaceflight (1961).
I also dream about that in the future Gagarin will be remembered as the most important human who ever lived, because he proved that our species can survive outside our native planet.
The real peak would probably be when the Soviets achieved parity with the US in terms of the number of nuclear bombs they had and could effectively launch, though yeah that's probably closer to your date than mine.
Personally I think you could also make an argument for WWII because that was when the Soviets really showed that they needed to be taken seriously as one of the world's two major superpowers.
There are lots of reasons for this.
People have short memories even about their own history's major events. There are fewer and fewer people who remember the extent of Stalin's cruelty first hand.
Even when Stalin was alive, there was a disturbing willingness among his people to disbelieve that he was involved in or aware of some of his practices. People would yell "Long live Stalin!" before being shot by the NKVD. The cult of personality he developed dwarfed what Putin has now.
Some of the places that suffered most from Stalin's rule aren't part of Russia anymore. If someone went on about how much they loved Stalin in Kazakhstan or Ukraine, that would not go down so well.
This squares of nicely with the Roy Moore thread.
I'm sure the lot of them would all be purged or gulaged under Stalin. If their really lucky, merely "unpersoned"
People loves stalin
Hell people loves Soeharto and his son inlaw Prabowo
Stalin's leadership was a huge asset in WWII. His approach to warfare was key to win important battles. It's important to consider this into who he was, and what he did for the Allies. However, to me, it isn't even close to making up for what he did.
If you ask me, Joseph Stalin deliberately ordering to kill millions of civilians in various way is literally the worst thing any person has ever done in the history of mankind. No one is even close.
Stalin: I caused a that killed 10 million people!
Mao: Hold my .
Kim: 's not dead!
His leadership. He pulled the same tactics the Ruskies used to beat Napoleon.
Just bait them in deeper into Ruskie lands. Burn everything, throw numbers at them and don't give a fuck about cities.
Then wait for them to eat a Russian Winter and while they bogged down freezing to death cause they thought they get out in time.
Use your superior numbers to fucking slaughter them.
Russia Runs a Perfect Stall Comp.
Can a proper Historian give me estimates of Stalin's death count. Hitler's too while you're at it.
Quick google-ing doesn't give me exhaustive numbers.
I already read that prior to posting, and it says the jury's still out on the final figure. I was looking for an insider's knowledge to cast aside said doubts.
I mean its kinda hard to get a final figure on these sort of things.
Not to mention how direct does a kill have to be to count?
Interestingly, Stalin's empire had almost the same boundaries as Khublai Khan's.
I think he was only missing Iran.
If it wasn't for the Russians the allied forces would have not win the war.Often we forget how important the role of the Russians was during the war,we think that everything in Europe was made by the Americans but the Russians by keeping busy the Germans in the east front was vital for the allies,we should not forget how bloody were the battles that kept the Russians busy,I think the most violent battles were mostly in the eastern front,Stalingrad was an example.
In that regard europeans should be thankful not only to the Americans but also to the Russians if in Europe democracy and freedom has been restored it is also thanks to the Russians.
Oh no doubt the Russians carried the War. My point is more there is nothing new about the plan Stalin employed. It was the same plan that beat Napoleon.
Churchill was rather a racist.
Stalin was a bloody dictator no doubts about it and nothing can justify his actions after the war.That being said Nazi dictatorship in my opinion was worst for the simple fact that was a regime that based its policy on the alledge idea of the superior race,Hitler wanted to exterminate all those that according to its madness was inferior racially or were consider non- human and put in slavery all those population that were considered weak,if the nazism would have won many of us would have been put on a servitude position or worst just for the fact that we do not corrispond for them to a precise social/racial parameter.Stalin was a son of a bitch it's true but at least we didn't see jews or other ethncities put in concentration camps to be exterminated en masse.
This is why far-right although a minority today is a very dangerous ideology because if they could be in power again they would re-start that madness that Hitler was so intended to apply.
Rather than WW2 I'm more excited by what happened after it.
Prior to the war, the only two Communist countries were the Soviet Union and Mongolia.
After the war, it grew to thirteen by the time of Stalin's death. And one of them happened to be the world's most populous country, which made him ruler of about 1/3 of humanity.
I don't know now,you should search on the web,for sure the British were responsible of some bloody acts against the Indians,an example is the Amritsar massacre.
I found this
How Churchill 'starved' India
Genghis u mean? Khublai control Beijing