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Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (December 20, 2019)

Discussion in 'Konoha Theatre' started by Sennin of Hardwork, Aug 15, 2015.

  1. MartialHorror

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    If you actually look at the numbers, as big as Star Wars is, the prequels were ultimately upstaged by that generations franchises (Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Spider-Man) and the NT was upstaged by Marvel. It hasn't been the dominant franchise since the OT. But at the same time, Star Wars does have more longevity it seems.

    When people say "Disney killed the brand", that isn't really true. There will always be an audience. If Disney simply scaled back the budgets, they wouldn't have to gross over a billion dollars to make a profit. They wouldn't have to beat Marvel.

    Just look at James Bond. That franchise has taken a much bigger beating than Star Wars over the years. It's had a lot of maligned entries, box office disappointments, law suits, copyright feuds, tentpole actors retiring from the role, wildly different tones... and as much as "Solo" struggled behind-the-scenes, that was a cakewalk compared to the debacle of the original "Casino Royale", which EON didn't even do, but was often blamed for it anyway. Yet it survived, adapted and not only remains popular, but might even be at its most popular.
     
  2. U mad bro

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    As shitty as the prequel were at least they had the lightsaber duels. Even the cartoons had interesting duels. This trilogy has been trash in that department amongst other things.
     
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    The cartoons were piff breh.
     
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    My bad you right. You would think the product with hundreds of millions thrown into it would be the superior product lol
     
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    Yes and no.

    When less money is thrown at something, more freedom is given.

    I have a feeling that when large amounts of money is thrown at something they start speaking with the Sarkeesian's of the world to "ensure" that it ticks all of the right boxes. It results in a poor product which is something they are learning.
     
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    That is true creative freedom equates to a creative plot. Vs the box office checklist like you say. Which in today's hollywood is nasty. It's like looking at multi million dollar cw show to be honest when looking at these films.
     
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    I just watched "Knives Out", by everyone's favorite Star Wars director Rian Johnson. It's great, definitely the kind of movie he thrives at making. I don't know if I'd call it the best movie of 2019... and to be fair, I haven't seen as many as I usual do. "PARASITE" and "The Lighthouse" are superior films in the purist of senses, but this might be my personal favorite, as I just love these kinds of murder mysteries and this one one has a clever spin on the old formula.
     
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    Are you more excited for Star Wars or Ip Man? Which one would you go to if you only have time for one movie that weekend?
     
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    That's kind of a tough one. I'd probably choose Star Wars, because it's a big event picture that almost has to be seen in theaters. Plus, I'll be bummed out if anyone spoils anything for me. With "Ip Man", I've seen them all on the small screen and that works out fine. If someone spoils the ending, I'd be annoyed, but I don't watch those kinds of movies for their resolutions. I watch them for the kung fu and if anything else is exceptionally handled (which to be fair, the first two Ip Man movies were), it's icing on the cake. But I kind of feel the ending of "Rise of Skywalker" will dictate how I feel about the trilogy as a whole, so the resolution is more important there.
     
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    Out of curiosity, I checked out to see how many tickets had sold for the Rise of Skywalker at my local Harkins and much to my surprise, the prime time showings were almost completely sold out on opening night. Maybe the movie will be OK at the box office... at least for the opening weekend.
     
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    Every Star Wars movie sells out opening night, dunno why that's surprising.
     
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    When a fan makes better content than an entire Disney studio can put out with only a handful of people

     
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    The new tv spot actually uses the duel of fates music.
    Low blow Disney, low blow.
    Anything can be epic if you use that!
     
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    That just shows how even they know how bad the current music is if they are that desperate to use the PT themes after exhausting the OT soundtracks.
     
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    They've always been using the iconic Star Wars tracks. Even "Duel of the Fates" is considered iconic.

    With that said, I actually liked the music they've shown in the trailers a lot. Hopefully it's utilized better than the scores for the other ones.
     
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    They're still working on the movie.
     
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    Eh? Didn't NostalgiaFan have a similar tone with it? I've always maintained that the prequels (mostly) suck, yet "Duel of the Fates" is still a great track in spite of that, arguably on par with the OT's soundtrack, even if it's unfortunately associated with "The Phantom Menace".

    I don't see the problem with using it in the promotional materials, since "The Rise of Skywalker" is riding the nostalgia wave anyway. I wouldn't even be against it -- or a variation of it -- being used in the actual film.

    Speaking of which, does anyone have a link to the TV spot that uses it? I don't watch much TV, so I haven't seen it yet.
     
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    You're really awful at reading into comments if that is what you got out of mine. My post was mocking them for resorting to using PT music because the people currently in charge of SW kept mocking it in the past and now they are so desperate to get people in theaters they are using tracks from the Prequels just to appeal to their nostalgia because OT fans have been dried up of theirs.
     
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    Suuuuuuuuure.
     
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    You're welcome for correcting you.
     
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    Suuuuuuuure. I think you're coming out and finally acknowledging that the prequels are garbage.

    Next you'll slip that you secretly like the NT... and are in fact, a Reylo shipper... and that you've been a dummy account for Shiba this entire time. I'm on to you, NostalgiaFan!
     
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    It's amazing just how hard it is for you to accept being wrong to the point of lying to yourself just to not feel like an idiot.
     
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    Nah, he was mocking the new trilogy for needing to resort to it.
    At least, that's how I saw it.

    The whole duel with Maul was epic so the association is great to me.

    I just hope this new movie won't use it in a way that cheapens it though.
    Williams said they will use all of the previous music and that worries me.
    That is a lot of iconic and epic music to be crammed into it.
    So how they intend to make it flow well is beyond me.

    Ask and you shall receive.

    Also this TV spot is called duel, while the previous one was apparently Fate.
    Coincidence or not?
    :thinkchuu
     
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    You take yourself too seriously, dude.

    Eh, I have faith in Williams. Even though people rag on the NT's soundtrack, I think it's more in how it's used. When you stop and just listen to the Force Awakens' soundtrack on its own, it's pretty damn good. I just can't recall it ever really popping out in the actual movie, outside of when Rey finally encounters Luke.
     
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    I don't ever take you seriously.
     
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    But how it will be used is exactly what worries me.
    Like you said they didn't do a good job with the previous two.
    I haven't listened to the soundtrack on its own, but the fact its completely forgettable in the films is a problem.
    Especially if the soundtrack is good enough to stand on its own as you say.

    It's a sign the music is used as an afterthought and not as an enhancer of the visual storytelling.
     
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