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Supernovas/Worst Generation do not scale to Luffy

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Donquixote Doflamingo, Sep 26, 2018.

  1. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    I see some people doing this and frankly you are being silly. You might want to read the last few arcs again.

    Luffy is now called the 5th yonkou his hype, feats, and portrayal are beyond his former peers. Supernovas do not scale to him. Hell Zoro barley scales to him anymore. Let me go into detail why but before that let me make it clear. I am not saying none of the supernovas are luffy level or that none of them can be stronger then him, i am saying they dont get scalled to him.

    Prime Examples to use are Smoker, Sanji, and Law.

    Lets start with Smoker.

    The Garp of this generation right :skully. I don't think i need to say more on this. Even before G4 people agreed that Smoker was looking kind of weak and that luffy won handily despite his seastone jutte. Since Punk Hazord Luffy has shown the biggest power up in the manga and has gotten a massive CoO and base stats boost. Luffy is beyond smoker he doesn't get scalled to luffy anymore.

    Sanji pretty much the same as Luffy. In punk hazord it was made clear he was Vergo level. The same vergo who law beat. The same vergo level that is fodder to Luffy. Sanji despite being in the M3 does not get scalled to luffy. Perhaps if his raid suit gives him a G4 level boost(doubtful) but for now sanji is nothing to luffy same as smoker.

    Laws turn Now you might be thinking DD what about law? Dudes awesome and has put in a lot of work. This is true law has very nice showings. He still lost to Doflamingo mid difficulty WITHOUT AWAKENING. Doflamingo is significantly stronger then law despite him being low on juice when they fought oda made this painfully clear. Doflamingo got his ass kicked by luffy. Then luffy goes on to fight two commanders growing notably stronger each time to the point he went from being low diff by katakuri to winning.

    If Smoker, law, and Sanji don't get scalled to luffy why should drake? Why should hawkins? Why should kidd who couldent even force big mom to send Snack after him. We have a pattern here. The majority of supernovas are around snack level to cracker. They do not scale to katakuri there is no evidence of it. The supernova title is no where near enough. Cavendish was hailed as a genius and has one year on the other supernovas and hes only vergo level himself.


    So don't get dissapointed when Hawkins, Drake, Appo, kidd, and killer get shit on this arc. You have been warned.
     
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    Anyway I half agree. It's true people are getting ahead of themselves. I already see people saying Zoro can beat Katakuri, which is ridiculous.

    But on the other hand, no Supernova has actually looked bad except Kidd. Capone was hailed as the weakest Nova and he actually put in work on WCI.
     
  3. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    My bad APOO

    Define put in work?

    Did capone look bad no, but nothing he did suggests that he is luffy level.
     
  4. Shiba D. Inu ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮

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    literally noone here scales any (non-SH) SPNova to Luffy anymore

    we ALL got the memo that its full Luffy wank time all the time for Oda :ickkk


















    Law & Kidd >= Zoro :catstalk

    and nothing of Zoros scales to G4 :sure G4 (far) outclasses him in every category except timelimit/stamina
     
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  5. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Oda loves Zoro.

    So be prepared to eat crow.

    And no trust me some people still think kidd is luffy level i still see that shit.
     
  6. Shiba D. Inu ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮

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    no, Zoro will eat G4(G5)s dust forever and ever

    Odas supposed love for Zoro is a drop in the ocean of his endless jizz for Luffy

    Zoros pride (and the way he originally wanted to become WSS) was already sacrificed on the Luffy altar when he begged Mihawk for training to help his Captain Jesus, next is his PL/tier standing (he will now be closer to Sanji/Jinbei/whichever supernova then to Luffy)


    even if Zoro solos King here, Luffy will just solo (or 90% solo) Kaidou



    yeah show me these people

    if they exist they are likely irrelevant
     
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  7. mob Ningen destroyer

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    Tbh I don't remember seeing anywhere claims of Kids and Luffys equality since the end of Cake island arc
     
  8. Shiba D. Inu ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮

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    also, narratively I dont see how EoS Zoro can be close to EoS Luffy

    in part because that would require a near equal EoS final opponent level (to match Luffys EoS BB fight) for him and who would that be ? Mihawk/Diamond Shiryuu/Gandhi/Kizaru/Fuji or whatever bullshit will all be well below EoS BB level


    Zoro can reach ~~Mihawk+/yonkou/Prime Rayleigh(+) level which is already great, but it wont truly compare to EoS Luffy level
     
  9. Shiba D. Inu ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮

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    Luffy underestimation has not been a thing here for a long time now, Oda has beaten it into us
     
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  10. mob Ningen destroyer

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    To put things into perspective eos BB will be capable of destroying his own crew while Zoro will have extreme diff with only one of his subordinates.
     
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    ^ this !

    I've been saying it for a long time now, prepare for BB crew to somewhat dissapoint PL/portrayal wise, it already started with Burgess

    not saying they will fall like dominoes, but I expect only BB to be a monster (to challenge our Jesus) and for him to easily be >> anyone else on his crew


    a few good quakes probably put most of them down tbh
     
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    Absolutely agree. Been saying this for a long while. I like the SNs, too, and hope to see them being useful and fun, but once G4 popped up, everything changed on the power level scope.
     
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  13. mob Ningen destroyer

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    we just need to look at what most overpowered antagonists could do to their crews(Crocodile,Enel,Lucci,Moria etc) and my claim shouldn't surprise anyone. We all know BB will be the most OP character this manga ever had.
     
  14. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Keep underestimating the Grand Master :bury.

    You will be sorely mistaken.
     
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  15. Shiba D. Inu ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮

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    must be nice living in Dream Land 24/7 :caticon


    just dont forget that everything you correctly said in the 1-st post applies just the same to the GM :maybe
     
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    Your thread was pretty on point until you implied that Zoro is somehow an exception to all this.
     
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  17. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Nah.

    Cause unlike the other supernovas.

    Zoro has great portrayal. So he still gets scalled to luffy my boi
     
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  18. Shiba D. Inu ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮

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    uh-huh, as long as he never has to fight boss enemies that can push Luffy :maybe

    something something river in egypt :catroll
     
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    just spit it out, I know you want to :maybe

    "Zoro would have beaten DD and Kata"

    :catroll
     
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    Luffy's 5th emperor title is literal fake news by Morgan. He's FM level right now that's not really that far off what the top SNs (Law, Zoro) will be at the end of this arc. Leaving Kidd out cause other than helping in the fight I don't see enough enemies for him to get a huge power boost.

    The reason why it seems the gap is so huge is because Oda prefers jerking luffy off compared to other characters doing anything.

    Man the Zoro downplay is reminding me of Dresrossa again. Niggas were saying Zoro would need high diff to beat pica when chapters back he literally pushed back an admiral. The salt is gonna be unreal.
     
  21. Shiba D. Inu ( ° ͜ʖ͡°)╭∩╮

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    its a guarantee that post-Wano Luffy will be a solid top-tier aka a good bit above any FM


    Oda might even have him beat Meme 1v1 right after Wano lol
     
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  22. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    We saw with hodi what happens when the boss trys to step up to Zoro.

    They get one shot :bury
     
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  23. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    With the same level as plot bull shit that luffy got?

    I don't see why not.
     
  24. Mr. Black Leg The Ordeal of Love

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    He hasn't tho.

    He was fucked up by a Yonko. And possibly by two of his peers too. Or at the very least he got fucked by a Yonko.

    Even Doflamingo was scared shitless of Kaido, like it wouldn't even be a contest.

    It's funny to see someone make a very good post with very sound logic, and then, instead of using the same logic, just saying " NUH UH ! ZORO SCALES BECAUSE I SAY SO ! ".

    Zoro doesn't scale to Luffy for the same reasons you said the other guys don't.
     
  25. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Because the logic used for the other guys don't applie to Zoro as i said already.
     
  26. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Did you hear about a guy named @PwnGoatVSPandaman .....

    Pretty sure he will disagree with 90% that was said in this thread ....
     
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    "Because muh favorite character doesn't apply".
     
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  28. Donquixote Doflamingo Master Puppeteer

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    Yes Oda does seem to like Zoro more then most other characters.

    Blame him.
     
  29. Edward Teach Well-Known Member

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    Dont speak ill of Zoro. Literally oda's own words
     
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    You guys actually read and buy the paper fake news Morgan made up about Luffy...

    "Luffy Constructed a devious scheme to assassinate Big Meme, read all about it..."

    :skully
     
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