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Susano'o: Complete/ Perfect Possession Form

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by BlinkST, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    Back when this happened, we all reasoned that Sasuke was probably talking about the Susano’o that Itachi used. Looking back on it now, he was probably talking what we call perfect Susano'o. For better or worse, perfect Susano'o doesn't need the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, although it is likely that the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan would give a person more time to master the jutsu. Kishimoto did after all, design a PS for Itachi and Shisui, and even gave one to Kakashi before the story ended.

    Kishimoto was giving out Perfect Susano'os like rappers give out Thanksgiving turkeys @Klue :gabe




    Lastly, "Complete/ Perfect Possession Form" is what Kenji Taira called not only one that Sasuke used, but also the one that Kishimoto had designed for Itachi.:catprone





     
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  2. MaruUchiha The Fourth Six Paths

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    Nah.. Itachi and Shisui's Perfect Susanoos were video game only non-canon and Obito only had Perfect Susanoo thanks to Hashirama's cells or Rikudou chakra
     
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  3. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    They were designed by Kishimoto so they may as well be canon. Kakashi was the one who used PS with Obito’s Mangekyo; it was even designed after Kakashi’s likeness.
     
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    That's not how that works.. There's no way for Itachi or Shisui to have Perfect Susanoo in canon
    So you think DMS Obito doesn't have Perfect Susanoo? And if so why does Kakashi have Perfect Susanoo then?
     
  5. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    The point is that PS doesn’t strictly require the EMS, as he saw fit to give it to two Mangekyo users, and if the above panels are any indication, Sasuke knew about pa, but went blind before he could achieve it. Not gonna do this back and forth.

    You said that Obito’s ps was because of Hashirama’s dna, when we saw Kakashi use it (without any such dna), and that the design was inspired by Kakashi rather than Obito.
     
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    Man, that Taka SD had so much potential, too bad it was garbage...


    ...Still bought the volumes because at least Taira acknowledges Taka... ;-;
     
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    It might not require EMS but at the very least requires enormous amounts of extremely strong chakra.

    In order for Sasuke and Madara to get the chakra strength and reserves for it they needed an extreme boost of Yin power. Plus they were Indra incarnates both.

    Kakashi received Six Path chakra which is even superior to the EMS chakra boost.

    As stated by MS Sasuke withstading even the lowest Susanoo form is extremely painful and taxing making him wonder how much Itachi had to suffer with the higher forms. EMS clearly removes those cons and the blindness part via superior power and not just a new design.

    And games...they have the craziest feats. I recall Itachi destroying entire islands with a Katon or Shino covering entire landscapes with bugs.

    In a video game even 1010 might have Kurama mode or Perfect Susanoo. It does not make it canon though. :catwave
     
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  8. Rai Comfy Kitten

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    RAW text isn't the same:
    Spoiler:







     
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  9. BlinkST All is well in the kingdom

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    :gabe
     
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    Mei's hair is kinda red too... :hm

    Could it be that baby Salad from the OP is redhaired because... :catsweat
     
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    Nope DMS Kakashi had PS because of Rikudo Chakra.
     
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    But he was talking about what Itachi used...Thats literally exactly what he says

    "What did Itachi endure"

    And Itachi only ever used Armored Susanoo in front of Sasuke
    Well, your citing a non canon, video game promo art for starters...

    And as for kakashi, he had Six Paths Chakra amping his Visual Prowess, thus playing by completely different rules.

    I dont think theres any sufficient argument to be made that MS users can attain Perfect Susanoo...Theyd burn their eyes out and seal their sight just trying to attain Armored as shown with Sasuke and Itachi.

    The use of a Susanoo on the scale of a Complete Body Susanoo by a MS user, would immediately fucking cripple them imho.
     
  13. Klue May Sharingan find a new life within Rinne

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    So basically, EMS is complete garbage?

    :mikebatman












     
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    Where did Kakashi get Rikudou chakra? And are you saying DMS Obito doesn't have Perfect Susanoo?
     
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    I thought this was obvious. You need traces of Rikudou chakra in order to achieve PS.

    As Indra reincarnates Madara and Sasuke had access to This power.

    The stronger the Jutsu on the eye the faster it burns out the very thought that non EMS users could use PS ignores everything we have been shown.
     
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    Rather, it was Obito's chakra that got the Rikudō treatment, and Kakashi benefitted from its effects when Obito's chakra ghost possessed him, and allowed him to utilize Obito's dōryoku.

    It was Kakashi himself who remarked upon the effects of Obito's Rikudō-empowered chakra, and the effect it's had on his dōryoku.

    He may be implying that under normal circumstances, Obito wouldn't be able to use Kanseitai Susanoo, or be capable of invoking Susanoo at all.
     
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    does sasuke have perfect susano now in boruto ? cuz it look to me too small compared to madara's
     
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    Exactly.. That's the point I'm trying to get across to this dude.. If Kakashi gets Perfect Susanoo from Obito's Rikudou chakra shouldn't Obito have it too then?
    Which is dumb if he's saying Kakashi has Perfect Susanoo thanks to Obito's eyes and Rikudou chakra
    :drake
     
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    Yes, Obito, with his Rikudō-empowered chakra should also be capable of materializing Kanseitai Susanoo. But the guy you were quoting wasn't exactly saying otherwise.

    You claimed that Obito's chakra was capable of Kanseitai Susanoo due to Hashirama's power, the other guy refuted this by claiming it was due to the Rikudō-empowerment instead—that's all.

    By ”normal circumstances" I—and probably the other guy—would be referring to an hypothetical Obito with both Mangekyō Sharingan prior to the Rikudō-empowerment.
     
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    It's so wierd that Kishi didn't give Itachi's PS two huge Rinnegan eyes.
     
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    Yes, Kakashi had perfect Susanoo thanks to DMS and Rikudo chakra (from Obito). How is it dumb?
     
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    Did I say anywhere Obito didn't possess Rikudo chakra? Lol I didn't even mention his name.
     
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    yep they are so overrated except madara
     
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    Ah Klue EMS was always suspect. It became that way the minute Kishi decided to obscure the sharingans development with the Rinnegan/Sages chakara. It didn't help that the person that was original supposed to show us the full power of just an EMS decided to skip out of learning the two other jutsu required to obtain Susano'o.
     
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    Agreed.
    No, he's one of the most overrated characters in the franchise.
     
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    why ? he is the strongest uchiha there is no one that comes close to him from the uchiha clan
     
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    And Sadly most of his power did not come from his Uchiha lineage. He's the only, MS weaving Uchiha, that has yet to showcase anything unique to his dojutsu. Ironically he was one of the disappointing characters for a Uchiha fan who simply loves the sharingan.
     
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    Because he is overrated.
    Strength is not the only way to determine if someone is overrated. An aside, Sasuke is far stronger.
    This isn't even factual.
     
  30. Ganta Not the Ganta from Narutobase. Stop Hollering PMs.

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    How bad was it for Itachi? (Not yet stablized)
    Sasuke

    What Madara did all those years ago...was it like this?(Perfect Susanoo)
    Sasuke

    better knock things down to simple context, son.

    It doesn't need their eyes for less beefy stages either. The result of EMS is Chakra optimization.


    You're an Engineer right? Then you know it can't be garbage. Just as you get the bugs out of systems to improve performance/stability, EMS fixed [blindlness and made it far less prone to rapid chakra-drain).
     
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