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Tayuya > Hidan?

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by Hagen, Oct 2, 2006.

  1. Hagen

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    Hidan got completely owned by Shika's kagemane

    Tayuya was able to break the bind.

    She didn't break it instantly of course, but Hidan had enough time to do it aswell, is not like if he was decapitated instantly or something.

    And Hidan is supposedly a kage level ninja, as the rest of the AKatsuki.
    He should be able to break the bind a lot faster than Tayuya.

    But he got owned twice, and lost his head.

    Maybe Tayuya was above Hidan's level?
    (if thats the case, Kimimaro would rape Hidan in 10 seconds)
    Shikamaru said that the nearer you are, the stronger the bind becomes.
    Since Hidan was really far away then the bind he used against Tayuya was stronger than the bind he used against Hidan?

    And i know Shika is stronger now than 2.5 years ago. But..that much?
    damn, he's portrayed as the lazy rookie who never trains!
     
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  2. Shanman

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    it wasnt the same jutsu and this is post time jump shikamaru.
     
  3. elektroniks

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    Shikamaru is a lot stronger
     
  4. MF NaruSimpson

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    wat they said....also...hidan may have never encountered someone trying to push him from the circle....it's actually hard to see for someone in combat....
     
  5. Sai_What

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    Hidan didn't have the cursed seal, which gave Tayuya so much chakara and power.
     
  6. Shizor

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    I thought this was about their profanity usage.
     
  7. Trigger_Happy00

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    Curse seal Tayuya would still get whooped by Hidan. I mean, she got killed by a tree.
     
  8. Hagen

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    The curse seal extracts the user's own chakra to his limits, therefore , Tayuya's chakra supply is larger than Hidan's.

    Hidan is supposedly a kage level ninja, he should be many times stronger than
    Tayuya CS2, who was beated by genins.
     
  9. CrystalCypher

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    First this was pre-time Shikamaru that held Tayuya for a good while, while post-time Shikamaru only held Hidan enough to get him out of the circle and for Asuma to cut off his head. That probably took 10-20 seconds and after that Shikamaru said that he was "at his limit". Hidan didn't even show a sweat. Also Shikamaru tried to use the choke jutsu and Hidan held it back like it was nothing. Another thing is that you forget that Hidan also fought multiple monks and 2 tail jin on the same day.
     
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  10. elektroniks

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    You're underestimating Hidan and Shikamaru. Shikamaru has gotten a lot stronger than when he was a genin. Hidan will kill Tayuya 38 times over. Cuz he's a zombie.
     
  11. mustang

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    It's been 2.5 years since Shikamaru's match against Tayuya, also when he was capturing Hidan with the kage mane he thought to himself that he couldn't hold him much longer and of course its a diffneret technique he used.
     
  12. Genesis

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    She pwns him when it comes to swearing.

    Other than that everything has already been answered.
     
  13. Jh1stgen

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    Prolly bc Shika got stronger ... but that is just pure speculation
     
  14. kal20

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    The curse seal comes with a price as with all forbidden jutsu's and that is the amount of time they can stay in curse seal form state and also the side effects of the curse seal consuming the user. Hidan can last longer than Tayuya in terms of chakra in that he has probably the same amount of chakra as those in curse seal form without having any of the side effects from curse seal.

    An example of forbidden jutsu's price is also the releasing of the 8 celestrial gates by Gai and Lee, when opened all 8 they are said to gain power above kage level for a short period of time but would almost mean certain death.
     
  15. Shiron

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    Meh, just Kishimoto downriting Hidan so Shikamaru and Asuma can beat him.
     
  16. FrostXian

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    OR Shikamaru got stronger. OH MY GOD, SUCH LOGIC, HOW COME YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT OF THAT!?
    Oh right, you're an idiot. All is clear now.
     
  17. TenshiOni

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    1. CS2 gives the use a ton of raw chakra and power. It was only with that that Tayuya was able to make Shikamaru's Kage Mane budge.

    2. Shikamaru is struggling to hold Hidan, almost as much as with Tayuya, but keep in mind she had CS2

    3. It's 2.5 years later - Shikamaru's chakra control is most definitly stronger
     
  18. xenosoft

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    I know this might sound crazy, but please qoute to me where it said "Hidan, your kage level" or anything similar...

    since you know..kage isn't a level, but more of a position/standard set by a person.

    You over-hyped these badguys power-levels is all. Also Tayuya (or what ever) used Brute-force to free her-self, and last time I checked, the amount of chakra you have does not define your level, unless you want to say that Kisame is the strongest in the Group. (leader said he has the most chakra out of all of them.)
     
  19. Odlam

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    I think people forget just how much of a chakra boost CS2 really is

    CS2 Sasuke matched up pretty evenly with KN1 Naruto, and considering the feats the other Sound members were able to pull off, it would not at all surprise me of the CS2 jumped a chuunins chakra level well into what most kage level fighters have.

    Of course they still only have chuunin level skills, so it's a massive imbalance between power and skill, but yeah, as far as sheer chakra levels go, they probably had more raw chakra there than many many mature upper level fighters.
     
  20. atom

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    In an actual fight. CS2 Tayuya should be able to beat Hidan. Only if she plays the last song though. I really dont see how Hidan could service from getting his chakra and/or body eaten up. Its not like just getting physically wounded. I mean even if he cant die. If he has no chakra he cant fight. So it will be defeated anyway.
     
  21. MasamuneX7

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    Take a look at Shikamaru's face during the chapter. It's like it's killing him to keep the bind on Hidan. It was a stronger jutsu than the one he used on Tayuya as well.
     
  22. MasamuneX7

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    CS2 Tayuya would be overwhelmed by Hidan's speed and power very quickly, even if he is the slowest attacker in Akatsuki.
     
  23. Snakety69

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    The current Shikamaru right now would be able to completely own CS2 Tayuya. And if I recall correctly, he had to struggle his ass off to get Hidan out of that circle. The only reason Shika was able ot get Hidan out of that circle is because he's gotten a hell of alot stronger since his last battle. And we all know, a jutsu is only as strong as its user.

    So no, Tayuya > Hidan is not true.
     
  24. Odlam

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    While I do think a CS2 user's chakra is about the same as an Akatsuki member's (depending on the CS2 user and which Akatsuki member we are talking about), it doesn't mean that Tayuya's skills are anywhere close.

    Hidan would tear her apart in extremely short order -it'd seriously be all of a 10 second fight.
     
  25. MF NaruSimpson

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    :yellHELL NO!

    Tayuya was beaten by Temari for hte most part, who were natural enemies.

    Hidan was double teamed by a post time skip Shikamaru and Asuma, and Shikamaru could barely hold Hidan thru the final blow.

    Asuma + PostT Shika >> then PreT Temari + PreT Shika

    Unless you believe that

    (PostT Temari + PostT Shika = Asuma + PostT Shika )> Hidan

    gtfo :p
     
  26. Kimi Sama

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    No on several levels.

    Tayuya was only able to start forcing her way out of the jutsu when she spammed her curse seal. You can see how much power it took from the fact her horns started to grow more.

    Shikamaru will of course be far, far stronger now. He was a total noob back then.

    He still said he wouldnt be able to hold Hidan for long. All in all he probably had them for the same amount of time.
     
  27. TheoDerek

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    I don't know why, but this made me laugh. :laugh

    On Topic

    I agree with what Odlam posted.
     
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    More Chakra doesn't equal more dangerous opponent. I'm sure someoen like Kakashi would have difficulty physically overpowering a jutsu like that as well but he's still very powerful.
     
  29. Hagen

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    Why? why Shikamaru who's always portrayed as a lazy rookie who never trains should be far, far stronger now? He must be stronger , but not that much.

    Hidan should be far stronger than Tayuya too, and he was unable to overcome the kagemane.

    Kakashi and Zabuza said than the same trick wont work twice in a high level ninja. Hidan got owned twice.Tayuya broke the bind the first time she got trapped, Hidan couldn't.

    Now in can figure out Tayuya wearing a black cloak with red clouds.
     
  30. atom

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    Well I could argue that Tayuya's 'minions' are very fast as well. But I would lose.
     
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