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The All Purpose Admirals vs Yonko Thread

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Soca, Jun 15, 2018.

What was the level of Whitebeard in MF?

Poll closed Jul 23, 2018.
  1. Still Yonko level

    19 vote(s)
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  2. Weaker than the other Yonko

    8 vote(s)
    29.6%
  1. Soca The Mud and the Oil Super Moderator

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    Back in the day SH4L created a thread that compiled all the cancerous debates that would be presented daily in the section (specifically mihawk vs shanks).

    Now it's high time we bring another version of that thread and this time it's for the one's who refuse to stop derailing and creating threads about admirals vs yonkos. So any other threads which overlap with this one will be locked or merged.

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    Go nuts.
     
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    Friendly reminder for all those claiming Kizaru was about to do something after chapter 907, compare Hawkins and Apoo's reactions
    Preskip when they were weak and Kizaru appears,



    No panic and even wanted fun right? But..

    After 2 years while, they had all the time to grow in the New World, When Kaido appears.


    Sweating Bullets. Gnashing Teeth, Threatened Eyes.

    The aura is on a completely different level.
     
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    In the spirit of mod fraternity, I'll boost the signaling and start this party off hot:

    If Whitebeard (Prime) = 100...

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    Yonkou

    Whitebeard (Aged, healthy): 95
    Whitebeard (Aged, sick): 90
    Whitebeard (Aged, critically wounded [post-Akainu?]): 75

    Shanks (current arc): 93

    Kaidou: 90 - 95

    Big Mom (healthy condition): 91
    Big Mom (famished): 71

    Blackbeard (current arc): 92 - 94
    Blackbeard (pre-timeskip [Gura & Yami]): 78 - 80
    Blackbeard (pre-timeskip [Yami only]): 65

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    Admiralty

    Akainu (Admiral/pre-timeskip): 88
    Sakazuki (Fleet-Admiral/post-timeskip): 92 - 96

    Aokiji (Admiral/pre-timeskip): 87
    Kuzan (post-timeskip): ? (depends on if the burn wounds actively diminish physical prowess)

    Kizaru: 86 - 87

    Fujitora (current arc): 85

    Ryokogyu (current arc): 85? (I sort of presume there's a near-exact parity between him and Issho, tbh)

    Sengoku (Fleet-Admiral/pre-timeskip): 80 - 82

    Garp (Prime): 98 - 100
    Garp (Aged [Marineford Arc]): 85 - 87

    Zephyr (Prime): 86 - 88
    Zephyr (Film Z-era, "healthy"): 78
    Zephyr (Film Z-era, lowest ebb): 40

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    I absolutely waffled on at least half of these numbers, if not three-quarters. Some of these are probably a total shambles, but this is purely going on an instinct bender.

    Kong is currently "Nah mate, fuck off" level, FYI
     
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    Some changes according to my interpretations-

    Prime WB-100
    WB(old)- 95
    WB(old,sick)-88
    WB(deathbed,bloodlust)-75

    Shanks-94
    Mihawk(MF)-86*- yeah flame me, I am not accepting mihawk>shanks unless shown
    Kaidou-95-96
    BM-91
    BM(hungry)-70
    BB(current)-91-96
    BB(MF,both DF)-82

    Kizaru(current)-90-92
    Akainu(current)-94-95
    Akainu(MF)-89-90
    Kuzan(MF)-88
    Kuzan(current)-88-90
    Fuji(current)-85-87
    Greenbull-85-87
    Garp(prime)-99
    Garp(MF)-86-88
    Sengoku(MF)-80-82
     
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    let's say wb in his prime is 100

    yonko

    wb (o)- 90
    shanks- 87
    meme- 86
    kaido- 88
    teach- 86.5*

    admirals

    akainu- 87
    aokiji- 86.5
    kizaru- 86
    fujitora- 86
    ryokugyu- 86

    * = i'm only guaging current teach, once teach reaches his peak, he'll be on par with or above pk tier characters imo
     
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    I think that has more to do with the fact that Apoo didn’t know how strong an admiral was and Hawkins checking his fortune with his cards. We see how surprised Apoo is when Kizaru pulls himself back together and blitzes him. Remember, he thought he killed a logia without haki, proving he didn’t know about Kizaru. Hawkins was literally killed a few times but his pawns died instead due to his DF.

    Kaido dropped right in front of them out of nowhere, and they’ve been in the NW for 2 years to find out dangerous he is.
     
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    Well, I won't make a list but the only person that the strongest Marine (Akainu) can win is BM. And he can fight equally with Shanks

    He could win against BB but his yami yami is too hax against admirals whose main strength is their DF.
     
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    Assuming current Katakuri is 85:

    yonko

    wb (Prime)- 99
    shanks- 95
    meme- 93
    kaido- 94
    teach- 92
    Luffy- 84

    admirals

    akainu- 92
    aokiji- 90
    kizaru- 89
    fujitora- 88
    ryokugyu- 88

    World Emperor

    Im- 98
     
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    Primebeard = 100+

    Yonkou/Crew
    BM = 92
    Katakuri = 87
    Cracker = 82
    Pero = 80

    Kaido = 95.5 probably
    Jack = 86

    Shanks = 95
    Beckmann = 89

    Old WB before MF= 95+
    Old WB (sick) = 90
    Marco = 88

    BB (pre) = 87
    BB (gura) 90
    BB (post) 95+

    Admirals
    Aokiji = 92
    Akainu = 93
    Kizaru = 92
    Akainu (post skip) 94+
    Garp = 93+
    Sengoku = 90

    Within 1 point = Either way
    Within 3 point = extreme diff for stronger
    Within 5 point = High diff
    I didn’t rank some admirals because I want to see more. Kinda guessing with portrayal on a lot of these.
     
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    Since the discussion is more about power level than battle Yonko VS Admirals & Shanks VS Mihawk is better suited for Ohara library than battle dome imho @Marcelle.B :hmm
     
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    Primebeard/Roger 110
    Old WB 100
    Kaido 99
    Shanks 95
    Big Mom 90
    Teach 89-91

    Prime Garp 105+
    Old Garp 95+
    Sengoku Prime 95+

    FA Sakazuki 98+
    Akainu 95+
    Aokiji 94+
    Kizaru 93+
    Fujitora 93+
    Ryokugyu 93+

    Prime Rayleigh 100+
    Old Rayleigh 90+

    Mihawk 95+

    Dragon (FP estimation)at least 93+
    Sabo (current FP) 80
    Marco 81
    YFM at least 80+
    YC 75+

    This is a rough estimation based on manga knowledge so far.
     
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    done
     
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    my list:

    Prime Whitebeard: 100
    Kaido: 99
    Shanks: 98
    Current Blackbeard: 96-101
    Big Mom: 94-96
    Kizaru: 91-94
    Fujitora: 89-94
    Sick Whitebeard: 87
     
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    EoS Luffy ; 102
    EoS Blackbeard ; 101
    Roger ; 101
    Primebeard ; 100
    Old Whitebeard ; 99
    Kaido ; 99
    Current Blackbeard ; 98-100
    Shanks ; 98
    Big Mom ; 98
    Sick and Old Whitebeard ; 95
    Akainu ; 95
    Aokiji ; 95
    Kizaru ; 95
    Fujitora ; 94
    Ryokugyu ; 94
     
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    Primebeard: 110
    Oldbeard: 90-95
    Shanks: 95
    Kaido: 94
    Big Mom: 92
    Blackbeard: 92

    Akainu: 93
    Aokiji: 90
    Kizaru: 90
    Fujitora: 89
    Ryokogyu: 89
     
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    You just created a thread specifically meant for cancerous posts, warned people not to make any, and then said "go nuts" for good measure.

    You might as well put heroin in front of an addict, point a gun to their head, and say "Have a good time with that stuff. I'll shoot you if you touch it though. But no seriously, go ahead."
     
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    Top Tier

    S Rank; Rodger | Whitebeard | Garp (100+)
    Group A+; Shiki | Old WB | Kaido | Rayleigh (97+)
    Group A; Dragon | Shanks | Akainu (95+)
    Group A-; Blackbeard | Admirals | Mum | Mihawk (92+)
    Group B+; Old Garp | Old Sengoku | Old Rayleigh | First Mates (85+)

    S
    Roger: 103
    Primebeard: 103
    OL Mihawk: 103
    Garp: 100+

    A+
    Shiki: 99
    Oldbeard: 98

    Rayleigh: 97
    Kaido: 97

    A
    Akainu: 95
    Shanks: 95
    Dragon: 95

    A-
    Blackbeard: 93
    Aokiji: 93
    Kizaru: 92
    Ryokogyu: 92
    Fujitora: 92
    Big Mom: 92
    Mihawk: 92+

    B+
    Old Garp: 91
    Old Rayleigh: 88
    Old Sengoku: 87
    First Mates: 85+


    NB: 1 point = Either | 4 point = Extreme | 7 point = High | 10 = Mid. Those with + are potentially higher. However, I need more before I can decisively decide.

     
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    What were they supposed to do when someone had interrupted their secret meeting? Did you account for the fact that their time in the NW was bound to have taught them the importance of reservation? Afterall, they thought or behaved as wantonly as they wanted in the lead up to SA. However, in the years since would've grown not just in strength but maturity. If we use reactionary statement without implied context Kizaru is as scared of Hawkins and Luffy if not more as he is a gun wielding Beckman.
     
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    Still, there is a clear difference in portrayal that Admirals, while being shown by Oda as great powers, their introductions pale in comparison to Kaido's. Kizaru's portrayal was akin to that of Mihawk's in Baratie. They are legit top tiers not to be messed with. No denying that. But they don't emit the same aura of being as dangerous as Kaido who was portrayed as a natural disaster. Admirals, Shanks and Mihawk are shown as bad as soon people who are powerful but within the limits of reason with only Akainu bordering the line while the Yonko except Shanks are shown as something out of the boundaries of logic and reason. It's like their existence itself is a cause of great fear. People can expect to have atleast a small exchange of respect and greetings with the admirals, Shanks and Mihawk. But with the Yonko, they will scared enough to even engage in a conversation and will be cursing their fate for being in the same vicinity. This portrayal by Oda, though subtle, makes one feel that the Yonko are more hyped and by extension, more powerful.

    In comparison to real life, Admirals, Shanks and Mihawk are like the Trump or Putin. You know you're fucked if you mess with them. But Yonkos are like a Tsunami or a nuclear blast.
     
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  20. Gledania Yeah but no.

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    Shiki was beaten by pre time skip luffy, I don't see him being equal to any admiral.
    The film was made by oda himself.

    Black beard is more powerfull than shanks now.
     
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    There's not a single evidence Akainu got any stronger from Marineford, It's cute to see people try to act like he got much stronger because they can't admit Whitebeard was the strongest Yonko despite being told so by 10+ reliable characters
     
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    I agree with you about people being in denial about WB's status as WSM; having said that, it is very likely Sakazuki really is stronger than before.

    Recently with the Luffy vs Kata fight we now know that people's haki level up when fighting against a strong opponent.

    Akainu, having fought the world's strongest and his commanders (and a short while later a 10-day fight with Kuzan for good measure) would've most certainly gotten a power boost.

    EDIT: Of course, this is assuming that 2 years of sitting behind a desk didn't get him rusty like it would be IRL, but it's unlikely.
     
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    If we are talking feats [on panel] and ability, the two at the top is Red Dog and Blackbeard.
     
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    I doubt that cause it is practically impossible to increase your haki-limit non-stop. You gotta peak at some point especially if you don´t actually find stronger opponents anymore. I also don´t think Akainu has to get stronger because we didn´t even see his awakening, potential conqueror´s haki or anything yet and he in fact beat Whitebeard so it´s not like he has to prove much.
     
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    He had a giant fight of 10 days with ao kiji. This shouldn't be ignored.
     
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    Ok that´s actually true, completely forgot about that. Still I don´t know if he really has to grow stronger especially if it turns out that he isn´t the final villain.
     
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    The marines high officers may also have private time for training :blobhide
     
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    You are missing the point. I'm saying that Akainu can't grow stronger forever and that he likely hit his peak long ago, same for his haki Imo. Also I don't think what Rayleigh said about haki applies to veterans but for people like Luffy that just awakened haki recently without unlocking top tier haki levels.
     
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    Kaidou > Everyone

    Till teach teaches his peak
     
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