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The entire alliance vs. Big Mom: Can they do it?

Discussion in 'One Piece Battledome' started by MYJC, Mar 10, 2019.

  1. MYJC Cunning Linguist

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    The Straw Hats (including Jinbe), the Heart Pirates, the Minks, the Samurai, and the Grand Fleet Captains vs. Big Mom

    Match takes place on Whole Cake Island. No prep. Manga knowledge, everyone is IC. Big Mom gets Zeus and Prometheus.


    Does Big Mom get overwhelmed by the sheer numbers? Or does the Yonko still win?
     
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  2. oiety greatredragon

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    She wins-they can't hurt her. If she isn't on a hunger rampage its of no use.
     
  3. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    they should defeat her. she is outnumbered hard. and not by some fodders

    on the other hand, G4 Luffy did nothing to her. this means others won't do her any damage

    but some hunger games might bring a W to the alliance
     
  4. CaptainCommander Active Member

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    Unless they're fighting even slightly near water she just suffers a mild injury: indigestion.
     
  5. barreltheif Well-Known Member

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    There are 10 main players: the M3, the Dukes, Law, Jinbei, and the samurai trio. The main issue is just that they have very little that can damage her. But I think they can stall so long that she'll weaken from hunger and eventually go down.
     
  6. MasterBeast Out Of My Mind.

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    They could starve her out if they want. Given enough attacks I’m sure it will go through her skin eventually. Even a KKG to the head might just be enough with Laws help, she might lose her memories again.
    Same people taking on Kaidou this arc, so the she should fall.

    High diff
     
  7. Vivo Diez Well-Known Member

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    Imagine the Luffy vs BM's commanders and fodder fight while he was beaten up and hungry. Except the power gap is even bigger and Big Mom starts out healthy.

    A lot of these characters will be susceptible to Big Mom's life span steal, which is an instant KO. Her lightning bolt attack that one shot Judge will probably one shot any of the grand fleet commanders and some of the samurai as well, possibly Law.

    If she plays it smart, she can just ride Prometheus in the sky and spam attacks. Pretty sure nobody would be able to block Ikoku. Even if Luffy gets close with Boundman in the sky, he won't be able to inflict any damage to the homies. At best Jinbe might be able to do some counterplay against Prometheus with some water.
     
  8. barreltheif Well-Known Member

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    Nami is here, so Zeus probably ends up switching sides. She, Jinbei, and Bart can also do a lot to counter Prometheus' attacks. I'm not convinced the soul stealing will work when everyone is rallying around Luffy. The biggest problems are her physical attacks and her insane durability. That's why the alliance has to outlast her, which they can do.
     
  9. Corax Well-Known Member

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    If they can outlast her they'll win. Though not sure how many will fall for her life drain,but lets say most who aren't top YC tier (top samurai,Luffy,Law,Inu/Neko,Jinbei) will go down fast. I think that remaining fighters can push her into hunger rage,as it seems that she falls into it very fast (at least as it was at WCI). Though in the end may be only 1 or 2 will survive that fight.
     
  10. A Optimistic Pretty Flacko

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    None of these people can damage her at all.
     
  11. Legendary Pervert Well-Known Member

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    She would be overwhelmed. Or so it seems. She also cant one shot G4 Luffy like Kaido did.


    But she still gets the benefit of the doubt tbh. Luffy is on the general level of a first mate (Katakuri). Jimbei, Zoro, Sanji, Law and the Dukes should equal the second,third commander and fourth commander of a pirate crew.

    If you believe Mom beats her entire crew, she should take this.
     
  12. Gianfi Well-Known Member

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    BM already oneshotted Luffy, and later Kata admitted that he + other powerful BM pirates like Perospero and Smoothie couldn’t stop her. She is also hyped to have captured Kaido in the past, seeing as they are said to be rivals, and we know he has been captured several times. So..
     
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  14. barreltheif Well-Known Member

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    No. The three top samurai are probably roughly equal to Cracker+Smoothie+Snack, and Luffy ~ Katakuri. But then you've got Zoro, RS Sanji, Jinbei, Law, and the Dukes - 6 other guys who are top commander level or close to it.
     
  15. convict He who Greets with Fire Retired Staff

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    Where is this concept that they can't hurt her? Just word of mouth of people saying she is invincible or does she have some amazing indestructible feats that I don't know off? Word of mouth isn't how the battledome works. Even Nami hurt her to an extent (not really in any meaningful way, but she seemed to feel it)

    As to this thread she gets completely overwhelmed. I think Kaido is the only person in the world who can win this. He is the one who truly has feats of invincibility with the way he brushed off G4 attacks like nothing, without even using Haki.
     
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  16. Astro Indubitable Moderator

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    Luffy - Law
    Zoro - Sanji
    Neko - Inu
    Shutenmaru - Jinbe
    Denjiro - Kawamatsu

    Cavendish - Barto - Sai
    Franky - Brook - Robin
    Leo - Ideo - Hardjuin
    Chopper - Usopp - Nami
    Kinemmon - Raizou - Kanjuro

    Orlumbus - Samurai - Minks

    We have Nami and Usopp who've got knowledge on weather based move sets. Brook has ice & has challenged her hommies. Shuten/Unknown/Jinbe have decently matched against Top 10s. Neko and Inu are comparable to Shuten. Possibly multiple times stronger with Sulong Forms. Last there's M3 and Law who can be anywhere between 1-4 Commander. Are we seriously about to suggest Law cannot cut apart Big Mom? I'm not even saying they win but this MUM mows neg diff is fugazi. Esp when they know of her strengths and weakness.

     
  17. mr sean66 MMA fighter/ Bjj expert

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    They dont even really have to attack, if they just run around and dodge for a few days they will likely take this without much of a probelm, im willing to bet just Raizo could stall her for an hour or so by himself with shadow clones, substitutions etc etc, if there is a whole team they can play defense much easier.
     
  18. charles101 Well-Known Member

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    What Nami? What Usopp? Everyone who's not at least Mid3 character either dies in crossfire or passes out due to CoC.
     
  19. X18999 Space Colony

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    With all of the it's 100 guaranteed that Law lands a Gamma Knife.
     
  20. MYJC Cunning Linguist

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    Would Gamma Knife actually finish BM considering it didn't even take down Doffy?

    Unless there's a picture of Mother Carmel nearby to smash, I could see Big Mom just straight up tanking it.
     
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    He had a special fruit that allowed him to stitch his organs. If GK lands on her ungarded she will die for sure as she can't stop her organs from radiation decay.
     
  22. Fel1x Friend of the Grummles

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    the paradox is: most of you think BM will stomp, but at the same moment you think she is the weakest Yonko and admirals can solo her

    :oldshrug
     
  23. oiety greatredragon

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    Can't speak for anyone else but personally I think any top tier could do this. Like, any Yonko or Admiral, as well as pre-timeskip Garp.

    Luffy, having the best feats of anyone here still got one-shot by a Yonko, and though he's WSC I highly doubt he's that far ahead of everyone else. Jinbe probably has the second best feats but really only on defense. While I do think she's the weakest Yonko that's still miles above anyone who isn't a top tier.
     
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    couldn't Law just solo by taking off her head with shambles
     
  25. MYJC Cunning Linguist

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    Uh, no?

    He can't do that for the same reason he couldn't do it to Doffy.
     
  26. Exping Well-Known Member

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    yea maybe cuz he know his DF well and keeps moving around. Big mom will be distracted by the alliance and Law insta win
     
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    I don't think Big Mom stomps or even wins, but I also don't see how that's paradoxical or inconsistent with admirals being stronger than her.
     
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    Yeah it's not like Big Mom's haki is way better than Law's rendering his ability useless

    And when/if Big Mom fights Kaido on equal footing this arc i think we can close this thread
     
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    BM is too fat. Gamma knife would only affect her fat, no any vital organs. They'd need gamma sword for that. I'm not kidding.
     
  30. Dunno Well-Known Member

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    The alliance wins. Big Mom doesn't have the firepower to take them down before her timer runs out and she starves to death.
     
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