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"The Gates" are cheap

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by tofutofutofu, May 15, 2005.

  1. tofutofutofu Priest

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    Is it me or getting really tired and sore for a few days after f--king whoever came against your 6 or 7th gate, make opening gates really cheap? Basically you can kill anybody (so it would seem) at the jounin level, take a long nap and a bath, and that's it, who's next? This puts Gai heads and shoulders above Kakashi, if they were to fight all out rather than just spar. It's just so lame, f--k.


    Anyways, I say "jounin" because gate 6 is just so obviously not going to work, and I outright call you a gullible fool if you think Kisame is dead. YAY TRUMP CRD
     
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  2. t0nt0n Dozen Aka Comfort Titties

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    power increases are cheap ; demons, pills, curse seals, etc..

    IMO, they are the greatest flaw in the series. kids like them, i guess.
     
  3. cool2not Member

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    ???? take a non stupid comment making course...

    YOUVE BEEN DOUBLE DISCO/MUSTACHE/BLACK GAI SoYED!
     
  4. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Wow, that was a little hard to undertand the first time through.

    I don't feel the gates or any of those things are really all that cheap, they reek havok on your body and in most cases the better fighter still wins (Lee Vs Gaara for example).
     
  5. Neon Lost Angel

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    First of all learn to spell, secondly to open the gates takes tons of practice so its not somthing anyone can do
     
  6. RAGING BONER Sexual Tyrannosaurus

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    yeah, the gates are pretty weak...atleast with curse seals you have a 90% chance of dying when you get it and even after that you can go insane and even AFTER that it can corrode your body. pretty much the same with Kyuubi chackra.

    but the gates reeeeeeeek of some saiyajin rip-off with the whole "powering up sequence and explosion of energy crap. plus the only side effects are a few sweat drops and you may or may not need a nap afterwards.

    GATES = BULLSHIT

    Gai and Lee should try getting some fucking ninja skills for a change and stop the whole powering up bussines...if you cant fight like a ninja move to another manga. even 10-10 rates higher than the green retards of the Leaf right now.
    man, if it wasnt cuz they are so damn funny when they speak i think i'd curse the day they ever crawled outta kishimoto's garbage can.
     
  7. Hyuuga-YoungIsh Hyuuga until I Die

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    If kisame survives this 6th gate attack which i know he will it will really downgrade the greatness of openning the gates because that will be twice where the gates have failed but openning the gates arent cheap because hard work must be done to acquire them but thats my opinion
     
  8. BushidoPunk Hero of the Gods

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    I think the Gates are fine with me. Its not like if you open all the gates you're gonna be able to take out the Kyuubi with your pinky.
     
  9. Kahlua2606 ANBU

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    The gates were a easy (cheap) way that Kishi could still make the 'loveable' Lee still competitive with the other nins when they all quickly surpassed him, and his complete lack of any legitimate ninja skills, other than hand-to-hand combat. He should have stayed the injured nin-wannabe who the other characters used as inspiration.
     
  10. Kyuubi Naruto Hounds of Justice

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    The Gates are ok but you also have to look into the fact that no one has died by them. No one who's opened the gates has killed anyone so I dont see why they are so cheap.
     
  11. Takuza <B><font color=#2ED73A>THE FELT</font></B>

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    #1 Lee was, and if it wasn't for the cursed seals, still would be stronger than sasuke.

    #2 in real life guns are cheap in fights, so go try and stop guns from existing before you complain about this you geeks with no life ( though I gues I am also responding xD )

    #3 the gates are great.
     
  12. tofutofutofu Priest

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    gee i purposely spell "card" "crd" and i'm grilled for spelling...did you guys know that there's no such thing as "cheep" ??
     
  13. Tsukiyomi Crazy Cyborg Monkey

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    Also keep in mind the gates aren't an easy thing to do, I believe Gai said Lee was the only one of his students who was able to pull off opening the gates.
     
  14. Kahlua2606 ANBU

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    How is Lee stronger than Sasuke? Sasuke was able to copy Lee's two biggest strength: 1) Lee's speed, and 2) Sasuke's version of Lee's Primary Lotus. Sasuke is also an accomplished hand-to-hand combat specialist, and any advantage Lee has over Sasuke in that field would be more than negated by Sasuke's chidori and other techniques, and that's all without the cursed seal.

    What the hell do the existance of guns have to do with anything in Naruto? Don't turn this into a forum for political arguments.
     
  15. DAMURDOC Super mega sig maker

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    yeah and sasuke will have the power to match the kyuubi
     
  16. Enzain Meow Meow

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    The gates aren't THAT cheap compared to bloodlines, cursed seals and. Having your muscles snapped and bones shattered is kinda painful ya know. It's not like just anyone can open them either. The "genius" Neji could'nt even open one gate.

    pancakes are good with syrup
     
  17. Riginal 1337 pr0n Ninja

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    Naruto is a manga story , not little kids playing a game. That isn't your brother pretending to have a super power up so that he can win. It isn't cheap , it isn't cheating .. because there aren't any rules.

    Any ability that gives a character a sudden boost of power would be "cheap" in a game ; but that sudden boost of power is what makes the fights compelling. Anytime that the momemtum can shift so wildly in a fight is what keeps you continually speculating what will happen next.

    How are the gates really any more "cheap" than -

    Naruto coming back from the verge of death with Kyuubi chakra .. now 100x stronger
    Sharingan copying abilities
    Cursed Seal
    Gaara's Sand
    Kaiten
    Tsukiyomi
    well .. the Gates I guess
    basically every character's unique abilities would be cheap if you were like role-playing the fight scenes.
     
  18. ydraliskos minimal

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    If he made an investment into gate mastery, he should damn well reap the rewards. If he hadn't, he'd be better in other stuff now, so in essence, it's balanced.
     
  19. dmby It's Duff Time!!

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    the gates are NOT cheap. they rip apart the muscles in your body if you use it, ok? thats BAD, and definately not as cheap as some of the moves...
     
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    What I meant by 'cheap' was on the part of Kishi seemingly making up an easy way to further the advancement of Lee, and make him a part of later more powerful fights, all the while maintaining Lee's lack of ninja skills. I think it's cheap because it's a ninja series, with a lot of stress placed on the use of various techniques and chakra control, 2 things that Lee is incapable of doing. Based on that alone, Lee should have died in his battle against Gaara, but because he was popular, Kishi came up with a way to keep him around, and a main character. The only way the series will remain popular if there is a sense of realism, not the hole that DBZ feel into, with new power levels always being discovered to allow the heroes to win over increasingly powerful enemies that also just pop up out of nowhere. I want Naruto to maintain this realism, which is why I think that the gates can get really cheap if Kishi doesn't keep them in check.
     
  21. Riginal 1337 pr0n Ninja

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    The concept of the gates was well explained at thier introduction . It's not like Kishimoto is just pulling extra gates out of his ass as a way to power up the characters.

    And the concept of the gates fits perfectly with Lee's character , in that it forces the body to go beyond its normal limitations and enhance the physical abilities that are used in Taijutstu.
     
  22. TwinFang Hound of Konoha

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    The Gates reward physical & mental determination.

    As it's stated that only Lee was able to open the gates it seems fair enough that the two ninjas who train harder than others should be rewarded for it.

    In what way are 'Gates' which have to be earned 'cheaper' than 'bloddlines' which you just have?
     
  23. tri-sapphire The Hunter

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    Gates=/=SSJ2/3/4/5/fusion/majin/heart of the cards (also known as fate)/other random power-ups.

    The eight celestial gates are another link from mythology. They weren't random power-ups to help Lee survive because he was popular. Kishi probably already had them in mind while sketching Lee's character, along with Gai's, and anyone else with the determination to surpass their limits and go beyond the norm (those who don't already have a demon or bloodline anyways).

    The gates definitely have set backs though. After opening the first gate, a person is extremely open to attacks for the next few minutes. We're not sure what kind of shape Gai is in after opening the sixth, but he would probably need help if Kisame is still alive. And the 8th gate, a limit that grants powers beyond a kage's, always results in death.
     
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    the last gate is the death gate i don't think dying is to cheap a way to gain a few moments of power. Plus gates are on;y useful in some situations if you have to continue on or have multiple opponents opening the gates will only lead to your death becuase you will expend all your energy.

    In respone to person who said that gai would then definetly beat kakashi:

    We don't know how many gates kakashi can open, we have seen him open one whats to say he cant open more. I don't think that was only anime i'll have to check.
     
  25. road_rash martial artist

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    oh boy, time for a rant.....

    The gates are not cheap in any way. Considering the immense amount of damage your body goes through, they're not cheap. You have to train your ass off in order to be able to open them, and lets take a step back adn remember the training Naruto and Sasuke did for their little power ups... While the cursed seal might have a 90% chance of dying, opening the 8 gates gives you a 100% chance of dying. For saying that the only effects of opening the gates are a few sweat drops boner, you are ofcially an idiot. Lee was told that his muscles were completely torn up and his bones were fractured in many different places after opening up 5. The difference between DBZ power ups and the gates power ups is that in DBZ, no matter what happens, there's a new level, with no side effects. The limits to the gates were stated, with the strongest granting death to the user. Lol, get soem ninja skills, that's cute, real cute. Tell me, who was it that pwned both sasuke and naruto during their 1st meet? Why yes, it was Rock Lee. Did he need to open any gates? Ohh, no, he didn't. Who did sasuke say wasn't bluffing when he said he was better then kakashi? Was it Gai? Why, yes it was. He didn't even need any gates to prove it. I could go back to saying opening the gates is 1 of the most difficult skills a ninja could learn (and it is a ninja technique, don't fool yourself), and if kakashi really is able to open the 1st gate (lets not get into that topic), well, have I made my point? I hope so. Lol, Tenten being stronger then those 2. Cute, real cute. Antoher point, it's safe to say that opening the gates doesn't mean pure victory. Plus when Kisame gets back up ready to fight, watch, Gai isn't gonna exactly be in his best fighting mood. I'm sick of all the bashing on Rock Lee's hard work. I don't get how you could make fun of a character who trains the msot out of the entire series, who's had the most difficult time getting to the top, and is still able to own strong ninjas. Damn that ninja wannabe. Look at how strong he is with hand to hand combat alone. Imagine if he was able to do nin and genjutsu's. He'd just completely destroy all in his sight.

    While Sasuke is able to run as fast as Lee, he sure as hell didn't have the stamina to maintain it, remember? And the freaking taijutsu move he copied, he simply kicked a guy inder the chin from the ground. Not too difficult. Plus saying Sasuke is a hand to hand combat specialist is just ignorant.

    Tsk, to further the advancement of Lee, just quit talking about Lee, you obviously know NOTHING about his character. If you did, you'd know his hard work will still make him grow stronger.

    And I'll be back if anyone wants to question my post.
     
  26. UltraSynaptic SeizureNinja Seizure Master

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    I don't mind the gates. As far as I'm concerned, they are a legitimate way of gaining extra fight in a characther.

    However, as soon as it's overused (ala Super Saiyen in DBZ) then it get's pretty lame. Fortunately that hasn't happened yet, and I hope that it never does.
     
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    Also go back and read chapter 85 it is one of the most serious conversations that kakashi has, in which he knoks on gai for teaching lee that move becasue it is so dangerous.
     
  28. Kahlua2606 ANBU

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    Thank you, road_rash...I was looking for an excuse to just laugh out loud. "Damn that ninja wannabe." It is not clear who you're talking about: Sasuke, Naruto or Kakashi, but I have to laugh either way. It has been said before, Naruto > Neji, Neji > Lee, Naruto > Lee... or, Naruto > Gaara, Gaara > Lee, Naruto > Lee (meanwhile, that second one was Lee with 6 seals open, btw). "Kyuubi Naruto" made my point for me, when he said "[n]o one who's opened the gates has killed anyone," thereby proving my claim that the gates, while flashy, don't achieve anything...only put the user in danger. How does that put Lee (who's never saved anyone) on par with Naruto (who's saved entire villages, several times)?
     
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    It doesn't explicity say it but it appears that he releases a gate in chapter 93 when he is trainng by rock climbing before he trains sasuke.
     
  30. t0nt0n Dozen Aka Comfort Titties

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    heh.. i thought "cheap'" storywise...
     
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