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The Marines

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Astro, Nov 23, 2018.

  1. Astro Indubitable Moderator

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    Independent of the WG and Warlords, how strong does OL rate the organization? Between Kong, 4 Admirals they've got quite an enviable starting roster. Now add in the various naval based in the Grandline and Blues were talking enough personnel to populate multiple medium-size islands. In MF the fan-base thought we'd witnessing their full capabilities. However, post TS we learn some Marines (VA, RA, Captains) hadn't even been deployed for the war.

    Which brings me to Zephyr (instructor) and his trainees who were still part of their organization. Garp (instructor), Sengoku (inspector) and Tsuru (adviser) have been promoted/shifted to more non-combative roles. Yet, if duty calls they can still be leveraged as key pieces -- esp Tsuru/Sengoku who are good tacticians. Caesar Clown was also positive FAkainu would purchase weapons of mass destructions -- hinting at more offensive powers. Now I won't account for Vegapunk nor Pacifista as they seem to be property of the WG.

    Finally the HQ V-A were fighting Commanders levels as it were. Yet, this was considered a lacking in talent for Admirals, hence the conscription opening room for shortlisted combatants to get a chance to don that white coat of justice. Momosagi -- Chaton be it delusion or confidence felt strong enough to be Admirals. Despite, the fact. With Garp in the helm expect the next generation being trained to counter the Supernovas in their heydays Wouldn't it have just been better to cut out the Warlords and put in strong Marines. Cause all they did was feed Luffy's fame.
     
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    2 Yonko crews and their allies => Marines.
    and before you, admiral wankers, tier specialist me, there was a confirmation about 2 Yonko together = admirals+shichibukai

    3 Yonko crews are just an overkill to all WG forces
     
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    just the marines alone?

    easily the single strongest military power in the world that we know of so far

    definitely stronger than one yonko crew and prolly 2 of them

    3 is likely a loss for the marines but hey, who knows

    4 is definitely a yonko victory
     
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    btw

    i'm not taking ancient weapons into account
     
  5. MO Well-Known Member

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    A great power. Equal to or probably weaker than the yonkos but much stronger than the warlords.
     
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    For me, Marines are just average. I don't really wanna make comments on their strength or comparing them to Yonko, because it's completely pointless. Sure, there has been a lot of PIS, but come on, if Marines were so much overpowered then we wouldn't see pirates at all.
    Also let's not forget PIS has screwed them pretty much. Do you remember Buster Call? A force that can destroy a country with no trouble? When it has been mentioned at first, I thought it to be something really scary and dangerous. What we've got in Enies Lobby? Complete shit. For me it seemed like no one cared about that at all. It has been ruined completely, Marines were fodderized quite easily and we didn't have any victims. Oda was scaring us for almost the whole Arc and nothing really happened. That was so lame.
    My main issue with Marines is there only a few strong people in there. Admirals, Sengoku, Kong, Garp and possibly Tsuru. Between them and the rest of Marines there is a fucking huge gap. Vice-admirals didn't really show anything impressive and became fodders. Timeskip didn't really change anything. We had Smoker who got beaten so easily by Law and we had that one guy in Dressrosa who took a huge L against Sabo.
    Admirals are the only one who can save face of Marines, but as an organization they don't do so well. They are not handling well with pirates, and probably the only win in the series they had was when they won Marineford War, but it didn't really change anything.
     
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    what confirmation?

    ot: we know that 4 yonko =~ marines + warlords
    i see the the warlords being around the power of one yonko crew (without the captain), so the marines are probably roughly as strong as 4 yonko - 1 crew
     
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    Kong is currently part of the World Govenrment, not the Marines.

    Anyways, Akainu and his Marines are easily strongest faction in the series. 4 top tiers is nothing to mess with.
     
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    Wut. It was confirmed that if WB and Shanks joined forced it would be a big problem. Obviously it would disrupt the Marines+Warlods~4 yonko balance.

    The warlords could maybe take on one yonko and his crew and not get instantly killed if we're putting Mihawk really high up there.

    If we're taking the strongest iteration of the shichibukai post-ts(and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to a lot of the characters we haven't seen too much from), with Law and DD still included... We have:

    Yonko >= Mihawk
    FM/strongest YC >= Weevil
    Second strongest YC > DD/Boa
    Third strongest YC >= DD/Boa
    Fourth strongest YC(Ace) >= Law
    Fifth strongest YC(Perospero) == Cyborg Kuma
    Sixth strongest YC(Daifuku) > Buggy

    And that was one of their strongest iterations we've seen, the current lineup would get crushed completely.

    So what does that leave the marines with? At least 3 yonkos and their crews to match.
     
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  10. Don King Pirate King

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    10/10 If I rate them. the Admirals, who are arguably the strongest characters that aren't Yonkou, the rest of the marines seem very underwhelming with only a few exceptions but their number is insane, their technology is more advanced than any pirates out there.

    I'm waiting for Akainu's Marines now. I want to see what he did for them to become much more powerful than before. if it is a weapon of mass destruction It's all good as long they used it to pirates without civilian but if they used it to civilian population then I hate them for what they became.
     
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    Marines rule most of the Ocean, Yonkou are squabbling over a tiny bit of it
     
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    The marines on their own would lose quite a significant amount of resource if detached from the wg as they effectively lose their funding source. As whole they would still be the strongest organization, but would have massive scale backs in terms of their operations such as having next to no presence in the new world save maybe 1 base just to have an eye on things there while paradise and each of the blue would in general would see less marine bases. Tbh I would imagine this version of the marines would primarily focus on the paradise while having a small presence in each of the blues seeing as most of the more dangerous pirates flock to the grand line anyways.
     
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  13. TrafalgarRao The dude who will change the world

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    Marines is only 45.7% strength of pirates in general and thats me being generous
     
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    Stronger than every individual Yonko crew. They control most of the world for a reason.

    If the pirates are so formidable, why do the Marines hold an iron grip over most of the world, and force the pirates to live a life on the run?
     
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    Everyone knows where the yonkou are sitting their asses at, yet no one dares to come from the marines.

    The SNs have been in yonkou territory more so than the marines, pathetic!:smoke
     
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    I must have missed this? Was it in the databooks or some manga chapter? The japanese version is still behind the narnia one.
     
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  17. TrafalgarRao The dude who will change the world

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    Because Pirates and Pirates is enemies and they arent united like the Marines
     
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    Well for starters, we don't even know if your last point is true. We CP0 has infiltrated Big Mom's territory, and we know that the government has access to Wano's seaprism stone (and the craftsmen) somehow, so we know the World Government has the means to enter Yonko territory.

    Then there's the fact that Kizaru was ready, with no sense of fear or hesitation in his voice, to sail to Wano to accost Big Mom and Kaido.

    So you wanna know what this tells me? The World Government aren't idiots that pick damaging fights for no reason, but if they have to fight they will. The Yonko don't interfere with the governance of the WG, so as long as they're out of the way they won't attack them. Only when they're forced to defend themselves or if they can't avoid a conflict will they fight a Yonko crew.

    Akainu stopped Kizaru from going to Wano because there was no point in him doing so; might as well let Big Mom and Kaido take each other out.
     
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    Strongest military power with the most offensive devil fruit user and the fastest man in the world :bury
     
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    Strongest military power in the OPverse as a single faction.

    I am not counting Yonko as a group, if Marines and CP0 are counted as different, surely crews that are openly hostile are not a single faction either.
    Marines are stronger than any other individual faction (a Yonko crew, Revolutionary Army, Cipher Pol, etc.).
     
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  21. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    agreed two yonkous + crews cannot lose to the marines.

    But the chances of two yonkou crews joining forces is really anorexic
     
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    I think Marines are roughly as strong as two Yonkou crews combined, mainly due to Admirals (taking into account WB pirates were likely the strongest Yonkou crew), while Schibukai joining forces could make a Yonkou crew combined.
     
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    The marines as a faction is the strongest.
    Yonkou isn't a faction...they're 4 separate "nations" at war.
     
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    That's wrong though. Vegapunk is head of the Marine science division.
     
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    The Marines are still on top. CP-0, Im-Sama, Fujitora, Ryokyugu are unknowns... But what is known is that Kaido was captured several times and was going to be executed several times. Also, Kaido is only said to be undefeated in a one on one clash... Which hints that he can be defeated by a powerful enough group of characters.

    Big Mom, Shanks and Whiteboard never tried to proboke the Marines... The only time Whitebeard did it was when one of his boys was on the line... And even then it was a suicide mission.

    And if you count the Magellan, PX-Series, the Mind wiped Kuma and CP-0 (whom may very well have Haki now)... They are definitely on top of everyone else, Yonko included.
     
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    The marines don't have Kong, he was the fleet admiral years ago, but he's a world government man. Ultimately world government without marines > marines
     
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    Magellan isn't marines
    PX are more world government.
    Mind wiped kuma is wg
    Cp-0 isn't marines, they are world government
     
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    You are correct on all of those, except for the Pacifistas. Sentomaru was in charge of them and actively fought alongside them and they were under the orders of an admiral.

    Although, even if we discount all of those things... The marines are still high tier and a few of them may have gained Devil Fruits over the time skip.
     
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    Marines have gotten stronger after timeskip. :datass
     
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    I seem them as a bit more powerful than a Emperor's crew due to the numbers they have.
     
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