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The NBD League Leaderboard

Discussion in 'Naruto Battledome' started by FlamingRain, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. FlamingRain Living Legend Moderator

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    This will be the thread we use to keep up with everyone's record after each match in the new league.



    The Leaderboard:


    People who have Volunteered to Judge:


    There were others who were nominated to judge in the suggestions thread. If any of you are interested you may still volunteer.

    A formal debating format will be used and there will be five judges selected for each debate. The participants of each debate will not be revealed to the public until after their debate has been judged. For this reason, said participants will PM each of their responses to me and I will place them in the versus thread.
     
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  2. Ishmael Star shopping

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    Holy shit this is really happening. Don't know if this is the right place but was it ever decided how the debating format would be?
     
  3. FlamingRain Living Legend Moderator

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    Let me check. I'll edit the OP with the answer.

    Though in the suggestions thread more people favored a more formal style (don't think anyone recommended informal actually), but with a less restrictive word count.

    EDIT: We'll be going with the formal style.
     
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  4. Turrin 玄武

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    What’s the rules and time limit to see if I can participate
     
  5. FlamingRain Living Legend Moderator

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    As in previous tourneys participants will make an introductory post and then one rebuttal of their opponent's introduction, but this time they are to be sent to me via PM to keep the debaters' identities anonymous. A good limit on the word count still needs to be decided. We plan on doing it over the weekends, so from Friday to Sunday.
     
  6. Turrin 玄武

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    Let me know when you decide a word count. That will probably decide it for me
     
  7. Ishmael Star shopping

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    Hmm, me being away from home a lot keeps me on mobile most the time, does this shit even show you a word count?

    Asking you because I believe you said something similar about the mobile thing.
     
  8. Turrin 玄武

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    I’m on my mobile all the time too now; I would just copy and paste it into a word count website
     
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  9. Ishmael Star shopping

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    Life saver. Not use to formal debating but I'll go look at old tourney formats and see if I can give it a go.
     
  10. WorldsStrongest Son of the Sun God

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    Cool

    Im down to participate or judge as I said in the other thread
     
  11. LostSelf Forest Sage Moderator

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    Sorry for the late reply, WS nominated me to judge. Not sure if it's the right place but I wouldn't mind judging sometimes. Not everyday I can do it but sometimes would be cool.
     
  12. FlamingRain Living Legend Moderator

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    Will edit that into the OP.

    Since you brought up the restrictiveness of the word count in the other thread, what do you think a good limit would be?
     
  13. WorldsStrongest Son of the Sun God

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    The older Debate Tourneys I participated in had word counts of 700 with an allowed over of 10% for 1v1 based threads.

    I wouldnt go much higher than that tbh

    Id say 1000 would be a nice cap, or basically any number in between.

    For threads on topics that arent 1v1 based, maybe go a little higher, but that also depends on what the topic is. Some topics might require less wording than 1v1s :catshrug
     
  14. ~Kakashi~ Well-Known Member

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    How prevalent are team match ups going to be? It's never something I've really enjoyed, seems almost overly complicated. If character A has the means to counter Character Z but character B doesn't, then the person debating for character Z is gonna want character Z to fight character B and let character Y fight character A.

    Isn't really something you saw a ton of in the manga either, so not even really a ton of reference on how Kishi handled it.

    I'm also curious as to how character intelligence factors in to this. Do characters like Kakashi, Minato, Itachi, etc have advantage over the "dumber" characters and does that factor in to the debate or are we assuming each character is equally intelligent and the only restrictions on arguments is what you can come up with yourself? Like would Kakashi pretty much developing a counter for every attack he's faced in the manga be a factor against someone like Kisame who used a ninjutsu absorption technique against someone who had used nothing but taijutsu and then told him the move he was about to use was also taijutsu?

    I figure the only restriction would be your own tactical decisions/"game plan" and what you're able to think of as a debater, but seeing as it's character traits/skills/etc here figured worth asking anyway.
     
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  15. hbcaptain Well-Known Member

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    I volunteer myself to participate. It seems very interesting.
     
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    Why is it being anonymous.....kinda takes the fun out of debates.
     
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    Seems interesting. Hopefully the judges can remain neutral and leave any all bias aside, as they should.
     
  18. Zexion~ Well-Known Member

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    Where does one look to sign up for these in the future?
     
  19. SakuraLover16 Dodge my problems how she dodges shuriken

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    I think it limits bias
     
  20. WorldsStrongest Son of the Sun God

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    The anonymity is for precisely that purpose

    If you dont know whos posting X argument, it leaves more bias at the door

    Cuz some people are petty like that sadly :lmao
     
  21. Ishmael Star shopping

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    I think you can still be in
     
  22. Ishmael Star shopping

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    This is what I'm looking forward to abusing to be honest.

    Things like "IC" mindsets and that character's general intelligence and analytical ability.
     
  23. Ishmael Star shopping

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    I like this 1000 being the cap but people being able to choose in between that.
     
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    You can still join since the debates have not started yet, @FlamingRain
     
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    Looking forward to this league, let’s make this a success guys :catwalk
     
  26. kokodeshide The One Who Will Cast New Light

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    Bias for or against certain posters is absolutely nothing compared to bias for certain characters. I love @WorldsStrongest to the end of earth and back, but if he starts arguing against Inari, I just don't think I could stay unbiased as Inari is top of the naruto verse with that shotgun.

    Jokes aside, this is a real issue. Some people just refuse to accept certain things. That's the real difficulty. My suggestion is voting should also come with at least a single line of reasoning. Like, "Person A as they addressed all points and person B failed to do the same." Then one Judge, the ULTRA judge, accepts the vote. I would hate to see someone lose because a judge is like "Person A just doesn't get it."

    Just a thought.
     
  27. Ishmael Star shopping

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    Soo... how are match ups decided?
     
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    Trail by combat
     
  29. Daenerys Stormborn Mother of Dragons Advisor

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    I dug up the old rules post we used to have for voting in the Konoha Colosseum tournaments, and the first two rules seem like they'd also be relevant here:
    1. Clearly declare your vote on a free line in a bold typeface or large font, e.g. Vote: The Truth.
    2. Post along with your vote a brief justification. Show evidence that you’ve read both strategies (but not necessarily rebuttals) and have thought about how they compare. If you don’t give reasoning that proves you’ve read both strategies, your vote won’t count.

    The first rule just makes it easier for whoever's tallying the votes to make the count. The second one was the standard we used for giving reasoning. Those tourneys allowed competitors to make as many rebuttals as they wanted within the time limit, so we didn't feel it was reasonable to require voters to read every single rebuttal. In this format, where there is a strict limit on how much the contestants can write, it would be more feasible to require judges to read rebuttals as well as original posts.

    The Colosseum also had a rule that you would be automatically disqualified if you cheated (generally by making a dupe to vote for yourself). That's probably not relevant in a competition with pre-selected judges. The Colosseum rule that would be relevant is that if you break forum rules (e.g. flaming a judge who didn't vote for you), you can be banned as normal, and that could cause you to miss a deadline for posting.
     
  30. WorldsStrongest Son of the Sun God

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    Winners should be decided by Majority vote of each participating Judge. As each thread will have a panel of 5 judges, that means 3 votes at minimum to decide a winner.

    Each judge should need to give some amount of detail in reasoning why X poster beat Y poster in their opinion as well.
     
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