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The Real Problem With Karma from Ch 46

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by Ultrafragor, May 21, 2020.

  1. Ultrafragor

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    The focus of the chapter was entirely on Boruto and partly on Jigen, but the more pressing issue is Kawaki.

    Before that, I want to point out a problem with how Karma was presented. Amado stressed the information compression/transfer/download aspect of Karma, but that isn't really special. Every person's chakra contains a full library of their memories, personality, and jutsu. Kushina and Minato were able to manifest fully within Naruto and use jutsu simply by leading some of their plain chakra in his seal before they died. Orochimaru was able to be fully revived, clothing and all, just by unsealing some of the chakra in one of his curse marks.

    So, that aspect of Karma shouldn't have been the focus. Given that, the real point of Karma is that it is a jutsu that works in reverse of the Yin seal. Byakugou is built up slowly over time until it is complete and usable. Karma, on the other hand, is cast immediately and then slowly disperses the chakra that was used to make it.

    The real function of Karma is that it is a jutsu that can overwrite the body of a person it was cast on and turn them into a copy of the Karma's caster. So, it is a jutsu to convert a person's body.

    This, as well, isn't that special since it functions similar to what happens with jinchuriki as their seal breaks open and also what Black Zetsu and Kaguya did to Madara's body.

    So, none of this is really new information or new mechanics in Naruto's universe. We were really only told that Karma will fully transform Boruto's body into Momoshiki, as opposed to simply giving Momochiki control over a tatted-out Bort body.



    Now, the point, all the focus was placed on Boruto and Jigen, but the thing that was skipped over was Kawaki has the same Karma as Boruto, and has had it for longer.

    If information is being downloaded into Boruto's body, then that's been the case for Kawaki for a much longer period of time.

    They threaten that Isshiki wants to fully resurrect within Kawaki, but he's already begun doing that.

    If they can't find a solution to Karma, not only will Boruto be lost, but Kawaki is gonna wake up one day as a stronger version of the guy that already beat Naruto and Sasuke's asses, then he's gonna beat their asses even harder.



    The obvious first guess for a solution is to just place another fuinjutsu on top of the Karma to halt its progress. If you can seal a Juubi, why can't you seal a Karma?

    I'd actually like an answer to this because, sealing the Juubi never made sense. The problem isn't that a seal could hold that much power, the problem is that Kaguya or any other Otsutsuki can somehow be put inside a fuinjutsu and can't figure out a way to break it from the inside. That's the part that doesn't make sense.

    It can be proposed that the Rikudo Chibaku Tensei stole Kaguya's chakra, and that's why she couldn't break that, then also that Kaguya was not fully conscious while inside Madara, so could not break the fuin herself, but beyond that, they need to get into the mechanics of fuinjutsu some more.

    There's an obvious answer to combat Karma, so I want them to actually state why that wont work instead of me having to hypothesize about it.

    Lord knows I'm giving this more thought than they probably did.
     
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    You answered the question yourself :zaru
     
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    Meh, thinking is fun

    *takes second daily dose of antidepressants*
     
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    This may be dealt with next chapter when Amado tells us how to kill an Otsutsuki
     
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    Also Kawaki's Karma is synthetic. It was given via experiments.
     
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    It still gives him Isshiki's horns. So it looks like it's working.
     
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    Kudos. I was just thinking back to what happened with Madara.
     
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    The seal on Kaguya is the strongest seal shown in the whole franchise. It was a special one that took the combined power of her two children, later passed to Naruto and Sasuke, and it makes a Chibaku Tensei as a side effect. We saw that Kaguya's Rinne-Sharingan, the heart of all her power, was eclipsed by the sun and moon seals closing it off. Once that was put onto Kaguya, she became dormant and wasn't revived until Black Zetsu triggered her revival through Madara and the chakra of everyone on the planet, far greater than the Juubi by itself. That seal could easily keep a Karma locked up forever, but Naruto and Sasuke don't have access to it anymore.
     
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    Ishikki's Karma isn't on Kawaki - yet.
     
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    Kawaki definitely has a Karma. Who's is it if not Isshiki's?
     
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    Ishikki was performing experiments on children using synthetic properties.
     
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    Right. But it's still a Karma even if it's synthetic, isn't it? I mean, it certainly functions as a Karma, and resonates with Boruto's which is non-synthetic
     
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    Oh yeah for sure. I just don't think it's Isshiki's personal Karma.
     
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    My interpretation of this scene is that it is Isshiki's Karma. It's going to some other kid in this scene, but it seems the implication is that the same thing was done to Kawaki.
     
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    Someone posted a translation from the scans that release with the chapter saying that Kawaki's karma is listed as Jigen's. Lol, but he's Ishikki.

    Meh whatever I'll wait out the answer
     
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    At that point, saying Isshiki's name would've been a spoiler, wouldn't it?

    So, they had to list it as Jigen.
     
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    Of course it's Isshiki's Karma. Kawaki also has his body morphing abilities that are due to nanobots duplicating Juugo's powers or something, but his Karma is definitely Isshiki's. There would be zero benefit to Isshiki in giving his vessel someone else's Karma!
     
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