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the ultimate defence? wtf?

Discussion in 'Konoha Library Archives' started by narsaku, Oct 7, 2006.

  1. narsaku The Skit Master

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    What is with all you neji tards saying that his defence is better than Gaara's?


    yea... 2.5 years ago... yes... it was... it was clearly superior.

    but after the time skip, i dont wana even hear that bs, are u saying his little twirl can beat a mile wall thick of cement sand? dont even spread that bs around.

    and yes, i take into concideration how great his fathers "whir thing" is compaired to neji's 2.5 years ago and obviously that neji would have made it alot better, but we dont know, cus we havnt seen him fight have we? :D

    gaara back then could only use like a foot layer of sand, it neji's "ultimate defence" was still only a little better... now gaara found out how to use 10 thounsand times the sand and seemingly from what i saw use generally the same amout of chakra "wtf is with that neways?"

    if i had to hide behind 1 of their defences, id pick gaara's, and laugh at the fools that picked neji's...


    but any1 who disagrees to Gaara's sand obviously being the best now, really is just a tard arnt they?
     
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  2. Samahade Yaoi Hater

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    Gaara's defense has been directly overcome, Neji's has not, even when a Kyuubied Naruto charged him. The only time Neji's defense was 'beaten' when the one Spider-sound nin (name slips me at the moment) began wrapping threads all over the place; hardly a standard technique, and even then, all it did was prevent Neji from doing Kaiten, not actually breaking through.
     
  3. blazingshadow True Wind Rune

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    blocking isn't the same as redirecting the force somewhere else. blocking is faster but redirecting the force is better. they are both equal ultimate defences with different strengths and weaknesses IMO
     
  4. AzureBlade New Member

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    Honestly I don't think the reward for best defense should go to either of those two. It should go to Hidan as attacking him while his Jutsu is active can result in you killing yourself. But between Neji and Gaara, yes Gaara's was better after the timeskip. The keyword there is "was". Since Gaara no longer has the Shukaku, there's no way he's still capable of using his sand as well as he could before.
     
  5. kuchiyoseNOjutsu Badass

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    The thing is, without Shukaku inside Gaara, that defense, if it still exist, will definitely be weaker pre timeskip.
     
  6. kataimiko 忘れるものか この一分一秒を

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    why do you continue posting?


    you could not argue your way out of a paper sack.
     
  7. Vox wub wub wub

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    Yes, cause people argue their way out of paper sacks...
     
  8. blazingshadow True Wind Rune

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    you fail at recognizing analogies
     
  9. Kaminari Active Member

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    Gaara's defense have a weakness unlike Neji's. Deidara just ate some of his sand and put it back as his exploding clay. And Gaara used that part to guard himself with, and got blown up. Kaiten dosen't have such a weakness, and is therefor better than Garra's defense.
     
  10. blazingshadow True Wind Rune

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    kaiten has to be activated so reaction time and chakra capacity is weaker than sand shield. it is just as i said before
     
  11. Pyre's Plight ...

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    I've argued my way out of a swimming pool before. It wasn't easy, and was a very terrifying experience indeed.
     
  12. Uzumaki~Kakashi Tomoyo's #1

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    Kaiten is better in some ways, while Gaara's sand is better in others. I think Kaiten is a stronger defence but that's only my opinion.
     
  13. blazingshadow True Wind Rune

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    it is fact in terms of principle (blocking vs redirecting force) however it all depends on how much chakra neji can expel at once and how much chakra capacity he has.
     
  14. Volken Heureusement

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    Gaara could make the huge wall of sand just because he was in the Village of Sand, where there are thousands of tons of sand. Anywhere else, he'd have that small amount of sand he had 2.5 years before. Neji's can be used pretty much anywhere in any situation. But Gaara can have his sand shielding him forever, whereas Neji's kaiten has to stop eventually as shown in the Kidoumaru fight. Overall, I think they are equal.
     
  15. Ram on a Forums Break

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    Neji's ultimate defence has never been defeated. Plus it is a deadly attack.
    And it's used to protect just himself, not his whole village.
     
  16. Sexta Espada Kylahullu

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    They have equal strength.

    Garra's shield was broken by Chidori. Kaiten wouldn't block it either. If you did redirect it(probably hard to do when Chidori is coming staight at you), the user of the Chidori could just around again for another charge while the Hyuuga was still stopping the Kaiten. Hyuuga might just stop as the Chidori reaches, so there's very little time to react.

    Not that any of the Chidori users we've seen, Sasuke and Kakashi, are smart enough to have thought about that. So they wouldn't use Chidori till the Hyuuga is to tired to use Kaiten anymore.

    The Sand Shield is hard and immobile, so Chidori would have no problems against it. But Kaiten is a spin, which would either be stopped if Chidori gave it enough push inwards, or simply redirect the charge a tad. That would cause the user to swing around for another charge, or if he's close enough, simply his arm to hit from the side or the back, if he's close enough.

    And Rasengan would probably reverse the spin, or go with it and explode on the Kaiten, which would probably effect the Hyuuga inside too most likely.
     
  17. Hoshi VASH EMAIL!!!

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    Well, as far as I am aware, there is only one person who utilizes exploding clay in that way, and that is Deidara.

    On the other hand, if Neji is fighting someone else who is a jyuken user (which is at least a whole clan), they can close his tenketsu and then he can no longer use Kaiten. At all.
     
  18. AZIZ_FROST Member

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    even if shukaku is drawn from gaara.....we cannot asume that he is weaker....now he can manipulate his chakra accurately because there is no shukaku....but we didn't see naji's kaiten blocking chidori or even #18......so we cannot tell who has stronger defence....but i think gaara has stronger defence....and i think even in a place without sand, gaara can still create a great wall....because i think the sand in his back is made up of chakra....O_o
     
  19. Doc. Q the grim reaper of threads

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    ITS NARSAKU!!!!
    I thought you were banned forever!
    Have some rep, for coming back after what you did last time
     
  20. Suigetsu Legendary

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    Hoa! hey fenris wolf you like space wolves?:amazed

    and I think that Gaara can still do hes crazy sand abilities! I mean the gifts of the hsukaku cant be reversed now!

    plus he will be able to sleep properly now!:p
     
  21. Pervert Hermit Next Konoha's Yellow Flash

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    Gaara's mile wall thick was done in the Sand village, where Gaara has unlimited supply of Sand. Outside Sand's village, Gaara is only limited to sands in his gourd and whatever sand he can creat from ground.

    It's hard to compare the techniques of Neji & Gaara since they're two different. Neji's technique could only protect himself, while Gaara could protect the entire town.
     
  22. Hoshi VASH EMAIL!!!

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    Do keep in mind that Gaara has jutsu that allowed him to create enough sand to perform two other god-damn ridiculous sand jutsu out in the middle of a freaking FOREST
     
  23. SpadeZ Midget Kickball Specialist

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    I think Gaara's is a bit better but neither are perfect...I bet if you hit either one with a chidori or rasengan it will make a big hole in the defense and the wind rasengan...forget about it smile-big
     
  24. PDQ Meta-Debater

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    Do keep in mind that that sand is not the same as Gaara's absolute defense. Gaara's absolute defense is the one that protects him regardless of his will. That sand took conscious effort. The only sand that works without his will seems to be the one in his gourd.

    And that is what was compared to Neji's Kaiten. At which point, Kaiten is better.
     
  25. Cardboard Jewsuke Draffut

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    Lets see the positives...

    Neji: Is stronger, far harder the penitrate.

    Gaara's: Takes almost none of his own Chakra, can cast other jutsu's while he does it, Can be scaled and shaped to face all different types enemies, can defend things besides himself, in some situations it really has no limit.

    Neji's may be stronger, but Gaara can do so much more with his, i would have to give him the win. Hell, being able to perform Jutsu's while using his defense is a major bonus that would put it above Neji's.
     
  26. Refused 攻殻機動隊

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    in my own opinion. i never thought that neji's defence was that great. i have no proof that gaara's is better, but i just think that way. to me when gaara made that wave of sand to crush kimimaro, that acts as a defence and an attack so thats pretty awesome..
     
  27. narsaku The Skit Master

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    Ur all using pre time skip theory again... god... americans... not even joking...
     
  28. Magomra ...

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    And you're arguing post-timeskip Gaara vs. pre-skip Neji. You're obviously making a whole lot more sense, right?
     
  29. maxhrk Legendary Yellow Poster

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    i see that you didnt noticed that Gaara used sands to lift naruto's hands in order to shake his hands... haven't you? please read that chapter again.
     
  30. Shiron BOING!!!

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    Notice the key words "as well as he could before" in that post...
     
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