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Theory Collection Steaming from Kakashi Gaiden

Discussion in 'Naruto Theories' started by Kakashi_The_Copy_Ninja, May 28, 2007.

  1. Kakashi_The_Copy_Ninja Just A Renegade...

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    Okay, so this collection of theories does draw somewhat lightly on other theories that other people have put down, but at the same time I am using mostly the Gaiden to put my own ideas into order, and I hope that all of you guys can follow me easily.

    Okay now if you are a good writer and you are a writing a story as lengthy as Naruto turned out to be, it doesnt matter, Manga or just a book, you will never put anything in there for no reason. I mean it is a waste of time and it is pointless to the story, thus every detail is important even in the Gaiden.

    Now let us move on with the theories...

    Yondaime Hokage


    The Gaiden was the first full introduction where we got to see the legendary Yellow Flash of Konoha. So this can be treated as introduction. Somehow it feels forced that hes just there to be there. There is a reason for why he was Kakashi's sensei and why Kakashi now is Naruto' sensei. Possibly because of that connection.

    I am not saying that Yondaime is Naruto's father as that would be following the long, already done before, scenario a la Darth Vader. At the same time, since Kishimoto did draw from many sources for the Manga we may assume he borrowed that one. I personally find it highly unlikely because it just seems to obvious and in your face, rather than the usual underdog story where his family wasnt even worth jack to begin with.

    Now here is the meat of my Yondaime reasoning, I personally believe he is the AL. Now before you say, "Here we go again," please hear me out.

    We have all already noticed the similarity betweent the Uchiha storage place and the place where AL is. Well let's see, the place is guarded by ninja cats, and cat people, and what do you know Naruto has whiskers on his face. The kid that Yondaime used to seal the Kyubi in has whiskers, and now Yondi is in a place that looks suspiciously where we have seen people who are similar looking to cats... (Yes stupid and my weakes point by far).

    But let's go further. I'd assume that the Hokage would know of the activities of every clan, and thus would know exactly where Uchiha hideout is. Now he would need an abandoned place to hide. Being the most powerful shinobi in Konoha, I would assume he is easily recognizable, and thus needs a place where very little people would visit. Well its a secret Uchiha hideout, and the Hokage may be the one of the few outside of the clan to know about. Just coincidentally the Uchiha clan is wiped out, either by his command or by Itachi's own will. And what do you know the number of people who know about the hide out is suddenly only 3. (Itachi, Sasuke, Yondaime). Now yes noone will ever even think to look there.

    Now lets go on with the Gaiden evidence itself.

    Its a stertch from this picture but please look at the position and the way taht the hand of both AL and Yondaime is positioned for them to lean on, it is highly similar, I am currently studying the Gaiden to see if tehre is a similarity in how Yondaime is sitting. (Note the slight bend in one finger on both hands, a tiny detail, but could be a clue)

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    Lets move on, we can now also see if we look around thefull picture of where AL is sitting we can definitely see that it is high above the ground and tehre is no visible stairs or lift or anything to get up there. So how would someone reach a spot like that. Well, we all know that Yondi had ways to get to various places. Ohh and look there is something that looks like tags right behind him. Could it be that it is used to get transported? We cant claim that it is for decoration because we do not see any tags on any other lines in the distance..

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    My last point in this revolves around the fact that Gaiden was never converted into the Anime, and the danger of voice comparison even by distortion. Yes some may argue that it is because anything fillers absolutely died out in Japan, thus the popularity drop forced the artists to get straight back into the manga. BUT, the Gaiden was Manga, and it was also done becasue a lot of people wanted to know Kakashi's back story. So I think that it would actually raise the popularity. Then why? Kishimoto's request not to as it gives away one of the biggest plot twists of Yondi being the AL by means of voice comparison. As it is not a problem in the manga...

    Uchiha Obito

    Okay to start I am not going to dedicate a single theory to Obito here, but rather combine two of them. We will start with the one I find less likely and it is drawn from a different thread, to which I hope to add with some of the evidence here, however weak...

    Original TheoryBy Sesshomaru Uchiha

    Zetsu

    Yay, another cook you may say. But just wait this is actually going to be quite short and quite to the point. Now Zetsu is both Black/White and combination of simmetry (sp?). So now look here, where Obito is smetrically show. I included Kakashi who is darker than Obito, which could serve as a form of foreshadowing...



    Now, consider this. If one part of your body shuts down, it may damage the circulation of blood from one part to another as the passages and the circulatory system maybe be blocked or damaged. Thys the other part of your body doesnt get blood and gets really white, while the one that has all the blood blocked in gets darker. This would coincide with how Zetsu looks. Now we all know that Obito died somewhere close to the borders of the country where Zetsu is from, thus we can also draw upon that.

    Now lets look at one line that Kishi says that can also be treated as a form of foreshadowing. This time he is talking about Kakashi. But only one of his eyes is crying, that which is Obito. Here we may assume that Kakashi sort of represents both of them, but what if Kishi is actually talking about Obito in that line as he becomes one with somethign (someone else).



    Finally, the alst we see of Obito is a fraction of his face. If I am not mistake it is precisely what we see of Zetsu when the flytrap is open, it's just looking that way from this angle...



    But Obito lost his eyes you may say. Well he may have been found by someone with regeneration powers such as Kakuzu or Hidan and had his eyes replaced. Because of his Uchiha blood his eyes were able to develop into a different kind of limit that draws heavily from Byakugan (the origin "buildingblock" for the Sharingan).

    Tobi

    Now this is the theory that I find more likely.

    First of all they are both silly, childish. I mean "Tobi is a good boi", he loves to brag and doesnt watch his mouth. We may also remember when Yondaime told Obito to watch his mouth. Meaning that he often speaks to fast. Yet Obito is proud and was convinced that Kakashi sint taht special. Same with Tobi who wants the glory over Deidara and capturing his Biiju.

    Further more, the eye. Yes yes, we have seen it before. And its even better when it gets to Danzo if we consider all the deception tha it implies by having a patch over the different eye each time. But yes, the eye is a clue. I mean Tobi has a right working eye, whil Obito gave his left eye away, meaning that if he survived he would be only left with his right eye.

    Furthermore, Zetsu found Tobi, and Obito died close to Zetsu's village. I mean Kishi may have drawn out a war with a different village and country, but he did this for a purpose, so we may draw a parallel with this. I mean even the locations are never random.

    The Third Mangekoyu (sp?) user that Itachi was speaking about.

    We also may have seen Obito's fate as a foreshadow in Kakashi. When Kakashis keft eye is taped over it looks like the tape is spiraling if you would round it up a bit on the edges and also his right eye is only visible as part of his face, so we can only see the whole in Tobi. It would make sense for them to be so mirror to each other considerin their closeles and how foil they were of each other prior...

    Also, it would explain why Tobi had to wait this long to join the Akatsuki. Obito was a weak Uchiha, and he wasnt on Itachi's level. Even in the Gaiden he couldnt save himself, even though he saved his teammates. In Akatsuki eyes he wouldnt be capable enough, and thus they had to wait for him to develop, or for them to be short on members.

    Recall Tobi's suit before he gets the cloack, it resembles a mechanicall support device with bolts and metal plates. This could be a sign of reconstruction from the damage that was done by the rocks from before. Once again there is very little that the author would show just for the hell of it, and thus showing that Tobi has a heavy suit that may serve as body support should have a purpose...

    Finally, this one last detail... (Thanks to Tyrannos for pointing this out)

    Uchiha Obito: うちはオビト
    Tobi: トビ

    Right there, as mentioned above, writers rarely doo anything for no particular reason whats so ever, so why design two names that are so similar in their spelling?



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  2. Kakashi_The_Copy_Ninja Just A Renegade...

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    Kakashi's Heritage

    The Gaiden is also the very first time that we have seen Kakashi's father, if only once.

    Okay now to note previous similarities between Jiraya and Kakashi...

    Well first of all, their meetings have been very casual. In most of the Jiraya is leaning on something and speaking in a nonchallant manner. Same with Kakashi. There is deffinitely a feeling that they need no introduction and they have met before...

    Furthermore, their hair has always been white/grey, even in child hood, and that is why we have seen the Gaiden, it clearly shows Kakashi's haircolor similar to the one he has.

    Moving on, there is one more thing, the porno novels. Obviously they have a very similar frame of mind, such as they are almost identically fascinated by the same things as the Icha Icha novels (one writes them, one reads them)...



    Finally, there has been a picture of Kakashi's father, as a matter or fact only image we have seen of him. What is the point? I mean they could have just simply talked about him and not show him from the back...



    Now if we look at Jiraya in this next image we can see that the shape is close to identicall, except that maybe the length is different.



    So yes the similarities are there. Also the face marks that Jiraya has. Since we have never seen the face of Kakashi's father it is difficult to say if he has any, but at the same time we cannot say that he doesnt. Yes we can see all the way up to Kakashi's eye, while Jiraya's marks start straight from the eye. At the same time, lets say that they have different markings being from different sections of the family or something (Neji and Hinata main vs. side branches) and Kakashi's doesnt go straight to his face. Since he is ashamed of his father he would start wearing the mask and it just grew into a habbit...

    That is all
     
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    Good thread. :kthumb:

    One thing though... concerning Tobi...

     
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    Damn thast Reall good

    I agree with everything except the part about jiaraya being kakashis Dad
    I do think they are realted though

    anyway + reps
     
  5. Kakashi_The_Copy_Ninja Just A Renegade...

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    Thanks, anyways, I actually said they may be from different branches of the family rather than Jiraya being his dad, but actually them just being simply related.... But thanks, reps back...
     
  6. DethStryque *Murderous Intent*

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    hmmm.....good thread somethings are a bit itchy like your just pulling for a resemblence but atleast ya tried :p
     
  7. Hatake-sama Kakashi fangirl

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    O.o I agree with you on most of it. Except I don't think Kakashi and Jiraya are in any way related. Just because they have similar hair and an interest in porn doesn't mean that they are family. Plenty of people are perverts. Also they are both very powerful ninja and could have met else where. Since Jiraya did teach Yondaime ,and Yondaime was Kakashi's teacher there is a possibility Jiraya could have met Kakashi though Yondaime too.
     
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    Good thread , Yes u are right Tobi is the 3rd Mangekyou Sharingan because Sasuke obviously is not gonna obtain Mangekyou sharingan as he needs to kill the main character..

    And good reason for jiraya to use the mask to cover his the thingy next to his nose (dont know the name)
     
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    I considerered that before. But there is also a fact that all teh Sannin have left the village as well. As it is possible that Kakashi knows Jiraya through Yondi. I dont think that they would be this friendly while rather Jiraya be a big role model for Kakashi because of the fact that he was the one to train Yondaime. I mean it would be like a student and a teacher while their behaviour around each other as that of close friends...
     
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    This is why i dont hang out in the Theory section.
     
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    Because you're just so insightfull? I love how after we had an argument in the fanfiction section you followed on a coupple of my theories here and basically negatively spoke out against every single on with very little argumentative reasoning. Let it go will ya? I did....
     
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    The idea of blood flow being the reason for Zetsu's coloration is a little strange, I'm not sure I could find it convincing as the sides are such a stuck contrast from each other and don't particularly have that appearence of well, darkened blood, the side just looks pitch-black.
     
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    This was nothing more than a summary of the common theories so that's nothing new, but thanks anyway.
    Still better to read than these damn joke threads.

    btw I read the whole thing, but more impotantly try reading out my theory about
    the relation between Kabuto and Kakashi.
     
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    I never argued that this was going to be a completely new theory or anything. I was just thinking about everything that most people put up until now and thought of what evidence I could find to proove such things. Like for example, I havent really seen the Tobi and Obito in Japanese on the forums, or noone yet said anything about the tags where AL is. But anyways, yeah its nothing new, but its my thoughts on the subject at hand...
     
  15. Fake.A.Seizure Your Family Cat.

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    I also think Tobi and Obito look quite similar.





    Excuse the small images. Didn't want to spam, and they were the best images I could find that showed just their face.

    Now, the hair is what stands out to me. : \ I don't know why else, but they just look so alike. Why make two characters that look so similar?
     
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    Yeah, I was going to use that, and dont worry about spamming. But I just think that everyone has seen these theories a lot so they know that they do look alike a lot, which i mentioned briefly. The most proof that I had was probably coming for the case of Yondi, even the manerisms and everithing.
     
  17. Spencer_Gator Pain is a god.

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    I agree with you, I like your theory and agree on all cept Jiraiya and Kakashi being related stuff, but I think Yondaime is AL and Tobi is Obito
     
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