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Theory: The only reason Obito recruited Sasuke was because...

Discussion in 'New Leaf' started by cringe lord, Aug 9, 2018.

  1. cringe lord Banned

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    The only reason Obito recruited Sasuke was because he knew he couldn't beat Danzo with his Shisui's eye and that Obito would think Sasuke would put a tough match against Danzo then Obito would come to steal it. That's why Obito wouldn't hold back knowing Danzo could use koto any second on Sasuke. And then he kept Sasuke along for him to destroy Konoha. So this theory is basically Obito wanted Sasuke from the very beginning for him to help defeat Danzo because Obito had 0 chance of killing Danzo and his teammates by him self.
     
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    He recruited him because he overall needed more power and "hands".
     
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    and he couldn't kill Danzo by himself.
     
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    Only reason Obito recruited Sasuke because he is a dumb retard(In universe) and because Kishi wanted Sasuke to have EMS and that was only way Sauce would've gotten it(real reason).

    Sasuke was completely irrelevant to Obito's goals(IT).

    Hell he would've simply snatched Naruto while he was sleeping and have Sasuke/Taka die in FKS which kills three birds with single stone.

    - Obito gets Jinchuuriki.
    - Eliminates a possible threat/Disrespectful brat.
    - Obito does not show himself to Kages, thus war does not get declared.
    - Obito finds Bee sooner or later.
    -Profit(World is fucked).
     
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  5. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    Tobi was simply gay for Sasuke till he became Obito and turned straight for Rin. :catwave
     
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    No.
     
  7. Arles Celes The Psychologist

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    I think he simply couldn't beat the Gokage alone.

    And when Sasuke failed he felt he had no other choice but to start a war.

    He said how he planned to take some Kages hostage...probably to exchange them for bijuus.
     
  8. Lord Nighty Atomic Sables!

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    Dude only had Kisame and Zetsu left by that point. He needed to replenish his forces and Taka was ripe for the job.

    The ulterior motif though was mentioned by him at least once. He planned on syncing Sasuke to the Gedo Mazo so he could revive Madara correctly. This planned was ruined when Kabuto revived Madara via Edo Tensei.
     
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    yeah but could Tobi beat Danzo in that state? I made a thread that's why.
     
  10. Lord Nighty Atomic Sables!

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    Danzo is nerfed to hell by being all sealed up. He needed time to undo the seals and so threw his bodyguards at Obito who casually played with them in that time.

    Had he taken the situation more seriously he would've bypassed the guards to get behind the defenseless Danzo and just warp him away. In a forum battle situation that's his victory by way of BFR. Hell, even in-verse it works since he can just leave him there to starve.

    If we assume that somehow Danzo could get fully unsealed then Obito would still win since his Kamui is greater than the 10 revivals Danzo can do, and Obito would only needed to see it once before he desides to go with the warp tactic.

    But I'll say this, if for whatever dumbass reason Obito allows Danzo to use Kotoamatsukami on him, he'd lose. But 9/10 its Obito's victory.
     
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    He states outright that he plans on hooking Sasuke up to the Gedo Statue.
     
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    Obito would destroy Danzo.. Danzo can't just beat anybody with Koto or else Sasuke would've lost to it
     
  13. Aduro Definitely not a villain.

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    I don't think Obito was the type to try to come up with really specific plans. There were too many variables involved in taking all the jinchuuriki and setting up someone capable of using Infinite Tsukuyomi. He was more the type to gather as many resources and as much information as possible and deal with problems as they come up. Sasuke was potentially a game changer for a lot of reasons by the time he got his Mangekyo Sharingan.
     
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    Sasuke was the back up in case Nagato died.
     
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    Probably not. Danzo might be threatening but he was also clearly intended to be a junior villain. Its unlikely that Akatsuki or Orochimaru ever felt particularly troubled by him.
     
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    That... actually makes a certain amount of sense. Sasuke's burning need for revenge and willingness to risk his life for it could probably be steered toward 'hey, if you use this jutsu you can revive someone who can get vengeance upon everybody' if he was played right.

    I do rather agree, the only other surviving Uchiha, and one with an angle he can use to manipulate him, who is Mangekyo-capable and has a Mangekyo-capable brother's eyes available for EMS, is the kind of resource you want to hold onto until you figure out how to use it. It's not like there's another one of him around, you wouldn't want to waste him unless you absolutely have to, not when he can still be useful.
     
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    He wanted to sync Sasuke to GM. Things changed with Madara's resurrection.
     
  18. Sequester Not the hero The Alley needs, but the hero The Alley deserves

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    He recruited him for fuck all I know... Had no idea how Sasuke fit into Obito's plans, if his end game was infinite tsukuyomi I don't see how the destined Indra vs Asura mattered. If Danzo was all he needed him for why even give him Itachi's eyes? He didn't even try to use Sasuke during the war, had absolutely zero plans for him.
     
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    Sasuke is the ninja equivalent of that bag full of plastic bags people keep in the pantry etc. You don't yet know what you're going to use them for, but you figure they'll probably come in handy at some point.:grin
     
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    If he wanted to sync him to Mazo then Obito would've given him Madara's other Rinnegan not EMS.
     
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    Maybe he thought sasuke would awaken the rinnegan thanks to the hashirama cells from which he believed the white zetsu were cultivated (iirc obito placed a white zetsu near sasuke's body) and he originally planned to give up his ms to get the second rinnegan for himself before he realized he could barely deal with the strain of a single rinnegan. He maybe also thought sasuke needed to awaken the ems before he could awaken the rinnegan and that a borrowed eye would have been too much of a strain for sasuke as well. Also giving sasuke a rinnegan that he himself could do something with would be risky due to sasuke's backstabbing habit. Still it is true that after his alliance with kabuto it looked like he had no use for sasuke in the war due to the firepower he had gained through kabuto's edo tensei army unless he wanted to synch him with the mazo that is .
     
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    It's really unclear what Obito was meaning to do with Sasuke in the end. We know he never actually planned to revive Madara, and he ended up stealing the Rinnegan and syncing to the Gedo Mazo himself. He didn't even try to sick him on Naruto since he went to scoop up Naruto and Bee himself in the war while Sasuke sat at home and recovered from the transplant.
     
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    Yes he synched himself with the mazo but maybe he needed an extra hand to control the juubi taking into account the fact he thought Kabuto would not resurrect madara if he kept his part of the promise. Still it does not make any sense really as like you said he would have brought sasuke along if he needed an help in controlling the juubi or capturing naruto and killer Bee rather than letting him recover from his eye transplant . Plus he thought Kabuto would not resurrect madara only in case he let him experiment on sasuke thus making sasuke unavailable for his plan. So whatever use he had for sasuke he discarded him after his alliance with kabuto. God the war arc does not make an ounce of sense and yet we are supposed to believe madara and obito are highly intelligent masterminds
     
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    He promised Kabuto he'd have Sasuke once the war was won. When the endgame of the war was the IT. In other words, he was essentially lying to Kabuto.

    'Sure, you can have Sasuke once this is all over... just, uh, don't ask me what happens at the end of the war that'll mean you won't be able to come and get him except possibly in your own personal dream world.'
     
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    It seems stupid on Kabuto's side that he did not take any precautions before allying himself with Obito like finding out what was the purpose of the war or at least keeping an eye on Sasuke lol.Great writing here. So obito was perhaps counting on sasuke to break out of his hiding place under zetsu's survellaince and to assist him with the moon's eye plan once he came to the battefield.
     
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    Kabuto probably believed the purpose of the war was the one the Akatsuki were told - ie that gathering the tailed beasts would create the mightiest weapon in the world. So if he was gathering information, he'd have found out what the Akatsuki thought they were doing - but not what Obito was concealing behind that plan.
     
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    He should have at least tried to gather info from the alliance before allying himself with Obito. I mean even the daimyo knew about the purpose of the war. So your ally is a shady man who pretends to be uchiha madara and which is manipulating everyone and you take at face value that the reason for which the war is being fought is the stated objective of the organization he was manipulating from the shadows? It would have been as easy as interrogating anko after capturing her. And if he wanted sasuke he should have at least sought him to capture him knowing that his edo were on the battefield and that sasuke might have become too strong for him to face head on. Plus kabuto should have been aware of the fact fake madara had given sasuke new eyes and obviously had hence an investment on him which he would not have . It just seems hilarious that had sasuke never met edo Itachi Kabuto would have never gotten the chance to experiment on sasuke.
     
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    He clearly said that he wanted to sync Sasuke with the gedou and the fact that sasuke wasnot controllable made it difficult.
    Danzo wouldnot have been much threat to obito if he really fought him.
     
  29. Aduro Definitely not a villain.

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    Kabuto and Obito were definitely trying to screw each other over. Both needed the other to deal with the shinobi alliance. But they were also both trying to get the last jinchuuriki first in order to screw the other one over. He definitely wouldn't have risked Obito obtaining the bijuu.

    The only reason Kabuto didn't capture Bee and Naruto is that Itachi's edo tensei backfired due to Koto. And that was sheer dumb luck on Itachi's part since he never expected to be resurrected and wanted Koto to protect Naruto from Sasuke. Otherwise Kabuto might have had two bijuu under his control, while sitting in an undisclosed location and have control of Madara and several other powerful edo tensei. While the Zetsu and Shinobi alliance were in a deadlock that would hinge on his decisions.
     
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    This definitely makes sense. Kabuto had no idea that obito would have needed just the chakra from the Gold and Silver brothers alongside the portion of the Gyuki chakra sasuke had stolen to reach his goal and to revive the juubi. Kabuto might have thought that after capturing naruto and killer Bee he could have entered in talks with the alliance and reached an Agreement by which he would have helped the alliance against obito and handed over naruto and killer Bee in exchange for immunity and getting the permission to engage in his inhuman experiments on sasuke, which by that point had done nothing to earn a pardon and was a wanted international criminal, as well on other test subjects.
     
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