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Tokoyami vs Gentle Criminal

Discussion in 'My Hero Academia' started by xenos5, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. xenos5

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    Tokoyami got a great showing in the most recent chapter
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    despite ultimately being caught of guard with mushroom throat hax which could take out any Class 1-A student most likely


    We now know Tokoyami can
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    switch between Black Fallen Angel and Black Ankh instantly to attack in mid-air
    and that his speed and maneuverability has been given a huge boost with the use of his new flight mode. How will that let him fare against someone around the same level as 8% Deku that can bounce around in mid-air?

    Scenario 1: Base Gentle

    Scenario 2: Lover’s mode Gentle
     
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    Current Tokoyami could definitely beat base Gentle. Lovers mode tho:hm
     
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    Tokoyami manhandled base Gentle.
     
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    Yeah iirc Base Gentle wasn’t quite a match for 8% Deku physically whereas Lover’s mode Gentle could directly clash with him and overpower him at points.

    Lover’s mode doesn’t last for long though so Tokoyami could potentially outlast him by staying in Black Ankh where Dark Shadow covers his face and arms giving him a better defense :hmm

    If Tokoyami keeps switching back and forth between Black Fallen Angel and Black Ankh when Gentle goes Lover Mode though Gentle could attack his unprotected face if he’s not careful.

    2nd scenario could definitely go either way I think.
     
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    @Tenma

    I remembered debating with you about Tokoyami’s power in relation to as you called them “the big 3” (Deku, Bakugou, Todoroki). I looked back and found the debate we had in one of the chapter discussion threads and saw we also debated about how Tokoyami would do against Gentle. You argued Gentle was on par with 20% Full Cowl Deku though we never saw Deku say he used 20%. Now that we know more about Tokoyami’s full capabilities with his flight mode from the latest chapter how do you think he would do against Gentle (or Deku as well)?
     
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    Definitely beats base Gentle

    I don't think he could defeat amped Gentle's combination of crazy high base stats and OP quirk, but seeing Tokoyami low diff 2 students (though Gentle doing the same to 5 pros still outclasses that as a feat)makes outlasting him a possibility if Toko plays his cards right.
     
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    Agreed.

    Sure outlasting Gentle’s temporary boost may be Tokoyami’s best bet.

    Though there’s kind of an asterisk for the 5 pro hero feat in that we don’t know their quirks or their base stats. We’ve seen a good amount of students stronger than the average pro hero before. So taking down 5 pro heroes is a feat that needs more context to know exactly how impressive it is.

    Tokoyami took down named characters and had some impressive showings even before Black Ankh and Dark Fallen Angel (managed to hold off Bakugou for a good bit despite being at a quirk disadvantage, Dark Shadow shielded against explosions and didn’t dissipate).

    One of Dark Shadow’s best aspects aside from its strength is how its enlarged shadow arms are great at grabbing and restricting an opponent. If Gentle gets caught in a grab by Dark Shadow, lovers mode or not its unlikely he’d be able to get out of it. Without being able to touch the air Gentle wouldn’t be able to deflect attacks, or attack with that Gently Sandwich move.
     
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    Pros are pros, I doubt those guys were on the impressive end but they are still stronger than students on average. Of course there are numerous students stronger than your run-of-the-mill pro hero but those aren't the kind who Toko could beat 5 on 1. Even fodder pros like the pussycats can fight on par with VA members.

    Dark Shadow can be overpowered (like when it went up against Ectoplasm), a strong enough fighter should be capable of escape its grip. Not sure if Gentle fits the bill as he's more of a speedster but that will make it hard for DS to grab him to start with.
     
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    How are the pussycats fodder pros? A real fodder pro would be someone like the guy who was knocked out by a single hit to the back of his head by a metal pipe from one of the fodder team reservoir dogs members.

    Tokoyami’s newer techniques help Dark Shadow retain more of its power during the day since more of Dark Shadow is covered by Tokoyami’s cloak and thus more protected from sunlight. That’s not to say Ectoplasm couldn’t break out of a grip from current Dark Shadow. But it certainly wouldn’t be as easy for Ectoplasm as it was back then. It’s thus unlikely Lover’s mode Gentle could do it.

    Dark Shadow is no slouch in speed either (especially with Black Fallen Angel considering how Tokoyami hyped it’s speed, saying Hawks taught him speed is the greatest weapon and it outsped Kuroiro moving through darkness) and it’s range and area of effect when enlarged is particularly impressive, showcased with moves like Gloom of the Black Arm where it enevelops a large area and took down a group of students from other schools. Now that we know Tokoyami can freely switch between Black Fallen Angel and Black Ankh he could perform a mid-air version of Gloom of the Black Arm.
     
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    Base Gentle is getting his ass thrown in the abyss.
     
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    Ōru Naito Mōdo Tokoyami dumpster diffs any version of Gentle

    As for Base Tokoyamivs Base Gentle, he shoudl still take that as well.

    Lovers mode is iffy tho...Never seen how Tokoyami stacks up to OFA or how he scales to people who HAVE stacked up to OFA yet...His fight with Bakugo was a matchup thing, basically a grass type pokemon vs a water type pokemon level of rigged...Kinda hard to accurately scale him anywhere based on that.
     
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    Tokoyami should be able to beat base Gentle, not so sure about Lovers mode :hm
     
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    If it’s during the night he stomps both versions.
    In day he should be able to beat Base Gentle and he could probably outlast Lover mode Gentle.
     
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