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TOP: Exceeded expectations, met expectations, did not meet expectations

Discussion in 'Dragon Ball' started by Juub, May 11, 2018.

  1. Juub Well-Known Member

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    So who in the TOP exceeded your expectations, met them and did not meet them? That's solely based on performance.

    Exceeded: Android 17

    Met: Vegeta

    Did not meet: Toppo
     
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    Exceeded: 17, Roshi, Kefla

    Met: Vegeta, Goku, Jiren

    Did not meet: Toppo, Kahseral & the rest of the Fodder Troopers, Frost, Hit, Ribrianne, That fodder shark guy from U3, Gohan, Kale, Murichim, Jimeeze, 9/10 members of U10
     
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  3. Monna Malicious Miraculous Malevolent Maelstrom

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    Exceeded: 17, Roshi, Cabba

    Met: Jiren, Monna

    Did not meet: Ribrianne, Piccolo
     
  4. Juub Well-Known Member

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    Yeah Frost is a good one. I suppose Frieza too.

    His character was awesome but he didn't do much performance wise.
     
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  5. MShadows Deathbat

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    I edited the list and added some more
     
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    Exceeded: 17, Roshi, Kefla

    Met: too many to count

    Did not meet: Tien, Kuririn, Universe 10
     
  7. PlainWarrior Well-Known Member

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    Fanboy Treatment: 17

    Exceeded: Roshi

    Met: Frieza

    Did Not Meet: Piccolo

    Hate Treatment: Tien
     
  8. El Primo Jiren's sobrino

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    Gohan should've gotten A17's role

    Either him or Piccolo.


    Piccolo should have fused with uni 7 nameks and destroyed the foddertroopers along those feminazi's from uni 2

    He a real mofo who doesn't tolerate BS
     
  9. Pilaf The Man in the Rain

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    I ain't seen my boy Paparoni on any Exceeded lists yet.

    Mother fucker made a super Kaiju mega zord.
     
  10. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Exceeded:17,Roshi,Dyspo
    Met:goku,Vegeta ,Jiren
    Didn't meet: Frieza,Frost,Ribrianne,Kale,nigrishi most of u4.
    Freeza character wise exceeded expectations power wise didn't really do much except Stomping fodder getting rekt by top fighters like Dyspo,toppo and Jiren
     
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    Exceeded: 17, 18 and Freeza.

    Met: Goku, Jiren and Vegeta.

    Didn't meet: Ribrianne, Caulifla and Kale.
     
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    I'm confused on why people are saying Freeza, even people who did like the arc at all said he was dope, and every scene he was in was awesome.

    If you mean powerwise, He helped against almost everybody starting with the Aniraza episode and was helping way before that, and saved his teammates many times.
     
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    Exceeded: 17, Caulifla and Kale, Gohan, Freeza, 18, Toppo, Dyspo

    Met: Jiren (to a boring extent), Goku, Vegeta, Frost, Krillin, Roshi,

    Did not meet: Brianne, Katopesla (too cool to be taken out like a punk), Buu, Piccolo, Hit, Buu, Tien, Trio De Danger, Buu, The Bottom 7 Pride Troopers, Buu
     
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    Exceeded: 17, Roshi, Dyspo
    Met: Goku, Freeza, Jiren, Kale, Rozie
    Didn't Meet: Toppo, Brianne, Boo, Tenshinhan, Piccolo
     
  15. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Dyspo was someone nobody expected to do shit
    >gave Hit problems
    >Shitting on Ssjg goku
    >Nearly ringing Golden Freeza in Max speed mode
    >required two Ssjb tier fighters to take him out where one of them had to sacrifice himself to take him
    Dyspo get slept on too much being real here
     
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    Exceeded: 17, Freeza

    Met: Vegeta

    Didn't met: Kasheral :gglife
     
  17. Kuzehiko

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    This is so weird.
    I agree and disagree with this. :mikebatman
     
  18. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    Cause in a weird sense he's not wrong
     
  19. Xiammes All For One Administrator

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    Exceeded: 17, Roshi, Gohan, Dyspo, Jiren, Freeza, Kefla
    Met: Vegeta, Hit, Goku
    Didn't met: Mageta, Cabba, Trios de dangers
     
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    I don't think 17 is fanboy treatment tho. Toriyama himself went on deciding he'd win. :catshrug
     
  21. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    That we know I wanna see if manga the matches up to it to see if it was toei going a bit overboard for him
     
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    You're right.
    Not sure if Toyo will go as it happened in the anime or he will take a different path.

    At this point anything is possible tbh.
     
  23. Xiammes All For One Administrator

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    Toyo is a piece of shit, he won't be able to write anything original. It will either be a copy of the anime ending or he will "borrow" another ending.
     
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    I don't get it.
    Why does the fanbase hate him so much? Also, its not like he has not tried different stuff in the manga.
     
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    Frankly I don't like how he can't form a original thought in his head, occasionally referencing older material is cool, I loved his bit with Goku and Vegeta doing their classic standoff poses in the time chamber, but its been a constant reusing of old Dragon Ball panels, not even iconic ones, just random rips. There was even a Zarbon rip off, not even the punch through gut one, lets not talk about the reusing of fancomic panels and idea's. I dislike how he treats the antagonist and his general story telling. I actually kind of like his art though, not all of it.

    I don't hold mangaka to the same standards as to anime staff, anime is a much bigger working project and requires much more time to produce, and even I don't like anime that throw constant references, it just seems lazy.
     
  26. Claudio Swiss Well-Known Member

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    I dont hate him honestly I feel like he can do much more tbh
    Nothing impressive so far in his version of TOP kinda bland
     
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    He disrespects his antagonists
     
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    Everyone who's got a problem with 17's performance in the ToP and say he received fanboy treatment forget that it's all on Toriyama. It's been stated numerous times how 17's performance was a result of Toriyama's wishes.

    He might've been way stronger than he was supposed to, but he did an amazing job. All of his scenes were entertaining and he's progressed immensely as a character since the Z days. He's also the best team player on the U7 team.

    The only problem I have is how they cheapened his sacrifice and basically just had him pop up like "It's just a prank, bro. I didn't kill myself, lol!".
     
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    It was Toriyama who decided 17's role and since he went from nothing to what he did, fanboy treatment is a good description as he seemed to suddenly go crazy about him. It also describes Toei as the way they presented him is the way a fanboy would. Every line he said they made him look good and the same for every single fight he had. There is also stuff in the anime that will not be in the manga and not in the script so Toei have made him look better. Toei do all non main plot things which is most if the dialogue and fight choreography.

    They did this as 17 was never popular and they tried their hardest to make him popular. It is similar to characters like Kale and Ribrianne who were made to look good in their first appearence and better than they actually are so people would like them.

    Tien's treatment is the simply just the complete opposite of 17's and Toei adding episode 89 and 90 is proof of the hate treatment.
     
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    It is because he wants to see Goku and Vegeta look as good as possible and he will adapt the script to make this happen.
     
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