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Top Tier Swordsmen, can they compete with the Top Tiers DF users?

Discussion in 'Ohara Library' started by Jin22, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. Jin22 Well-Known Member

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    The arc finally seems to be coming to an end, and we all sense powerful swordsmen on the horizon with Zoro and Law's return(I'm ready). So what do you think? I also wonder what people's opinion of Law is regarding swodsmanship since he is both a swordsman and a powerful DF user. This should be a fun thread in preparation for Wano and the Sanurai and Ninja storylines that await us.

    Also, I will add just one more tidbit to get the fussing really started: I think Zoro really can beat Law in a fight!
     
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  2. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    Can they compete? sure

    Brazil competed against Germany in the world cup, they got fucked 7-1.

    Arsenal is competing in club football, :skully
     
  3. Luiz Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing Zoro can't cut. :bigboss
     
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  4. Jin22 Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, K...Brazil also got that ass kicked by USA Basketball for the last 3 decades. What exactly are we saying?
     
  5. TheOmega Real Nigga

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    Once you used a DF your style becomes that of your fruit. Law is no longer a mere Swordsman
     
  6. Luke I Am In Here

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    Of course they can.
     
  7. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    If people like Garp can compete with just fists then everyone can.
     
  8. Furinji Saiga The One Shadow

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    We have like multiple examples of top tiers who are swordsman/martial artists, they are just heavily outnumbered by top tiers with DF's.

    Garp was able to go toe to toe with Roger with just his fists.

    We have Mihawk, Rayleigh, and Shanks as examples of very high level swordsman without DF's on the same level as many of top DF users.
     
  9. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    "If the Roger rival can beat someone, then the guy who got stalemated by Vista can"
     
  10. PwnGoatVSPandaman Better Than Grimm

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    Shanks didn't have a devil fruit 15 or whatever years ago, doesn't mean he doesn't have one now, he was only a mid or high tier back then.
    Garp is a pirate kingish leveled character in his prime, mihawk is a vista leveled character in his prime (current)
    Rayleigh seemed to lose out against Kizaru pre timeskip but I think his stamina issue was fixed through his training of luffy and so forth.
     
  11. Monstar6 Well-Known Member

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    When you are able to cut through everything why won’t you able to compete with top tier DF users?
     
  12. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    No.
     
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  13. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    What's your point?
     
  14. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    Yes.
     
  15. Canute87 Nuke Imminent

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    The top levels have been established.

    Garp is the only person.
     
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    I mean, Zoro has gone to 4 islands in the New World at this point and has fodderized everyone from logia sluts to stone freaks.

    He’s looking like he’ll do fine against top tier DF users.
     
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  17. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    That's irrelevant with the thread...op asked if top tier swordsmen can compete with top DF users meaning both are top level in their respective category..same goes for the brawler.
    Also top levels aren't established yet...we don't know about Ryokugyu,Dragon maybe someone from the Gorosei..Sanji will also be one of the top in the future and maybe even Jinbei.

    Edit : Add possible Kong to the list.
     
  18. Erkan12 OP and DB Expert

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    There is a reason why top-tiers in this series aren't interested with swordsmanship.
     
  19. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    Shanks and Rayleigh say hi :catwave
     
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  20. Charmander For the HORDE!

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    Zoro will be the strongest character after luffy. Of course they can.
     
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    Obviously. We've already seen the likes of Rayleigh being able to compete with an Admiral using swordsmanship albeit Kizaru was also only using it as well.

    The likes of Mihawk & Shanks seem to also manage.
     
  22. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    Akainu and BB say hi :catwave
     
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    Those people are DF users.

    Always funny to me when people think these guys are going to be relevant.


    Sanji won't even make to be kizaru's equal much less to be on equal footing with prime Garp.

    Jinbei? No.

    Garp is stronger than Kong.
     
  24. Charmander For the HORDE!

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    Bb I agree.
     
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    1. There's no proof yet that Dragon or Ryokugyu have DFs.
    2.Maybe they will be..again no proof yet they'll be irrelevant.
    3.Baseless and I never said they're equal to Garp...i just mention possible top tier guys with no DF or sword.
    4.See above.
    5.Irrelevant...he's still top tier.
    Add Z to the list too.
     
  26. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    there's also the possibility of a Kaguya-like FV pop[ing up :maybe
     
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    Gol D zombie :blobsweat
     
  28. Jin22 Well-Known Member

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    So many avenues this associates with. I wonder how Oda will handle it. For instance, is Kizaru a swordsman since he indeed fought with a sword made out of his element? Same for Aokiji, he made a sword out of ice didn't he
     
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    So that wind that swept everybody the fuck away back in logue town, that didn't happen?

    The admiral is going to have a DF, Bern.

    You used Garp as a basis. Prime Garp can actually beat these fuckers with the DF's. Seeing that you have seen absolutely NO one else in this series even come remotely close to competing, it simply doesn't exist. Garp is the one and only exception in this series. And he's on the upper echelon, He's the roger for the marines.
     
  30. Bernkastel Welcome child of man

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    Maybe it was an ancient weapon or something else...we don't really know yet.
    Most propably yes but you never know..maybe Oda makes an exception.
    I used Garp cause he is the most solid one with feats and appearances.
    We know Z didn't have a fruit and Kong possibly doesn't have either.Yeah we don't have definitive proof of Kong but the possibility is there and same goes for the rest of the guys i mentioned.
    My point from the very beginning is that Garp managed to become a legend without a sword or DF so yes someone can become a top tier and compete without having a DF or sword.That doesn't mean they're stronger than Garp..i never intented to make a comparison in the first place.
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