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Trump says solution to family separation crisis is for immigrants not to come into US illegally

Discussion in 'The NF Café' started by Chelydra, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. Alita54 Alita>You

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    Because he is.
     
  2. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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  3. Alita54 Alita>You

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    Escaping being murdered is a valid excuse to flee your own country and come here and they are coming through legal means but Trump is still punishing them anyway.

    YOU think illegals should be shot at the border which goes to show how seriously anyone should take your opinion on this topic.
     
  4. Alita54 Alita>You

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    Truth hurts :catshrug
     
  5. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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  6. Zenith L'osservatore

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    Spicy.
     
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  7. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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    Worst part is I gave Alita all likes this page :smartgoku
     
  8. Zenith L'osservatore

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    I just gave you a neutral rating. Just like my gender.
     
  9. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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  10. Chelydra Devour them all.

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    Nope, to both your statements.
     
  11. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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    Neg that bitch Alita.
     
  12. Alita54 Alita>You

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  13. Alita54 Alita>You

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  14. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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    And I'm half white and half latin :mjlol
     
  15. mr_shadow Minister of State Security Moderator

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    Break it up guys.
     
  16. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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  17. Loli Loli God, Megumin / Konosuba

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    It's not a real fight unless ya put on your boxing gloves eehee.
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  18. Former Obd Lurker. Well-Known Member

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  20. Sloth Enchanting your damage.

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    Yes they are, full stop, end of discussion.

    See. I can hand-wave, too.

    A. You can be a victim AND a criminal
    B. Since when does being a criminal mean you deserve nothing. Convicted child molesters get 3 meals a day.

    Fixed

    Also, no.
     
  21. Amol Chief of Wisdom

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    Why you guys still bother with this psychopathic piece of shit?
    He has no regard for human life and gets off on human misery.
    You can't debate with this edgelord because he has no capacity for compassion. Put him on fucking SI. For some weird reasons our dear mods protect him. So just let him fade away into nothingness by ignoring his psychotic ass.
     
  22. EJ populist left

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    such a psychopathic nutcase.

    im sure most people are for an easier path towards citizenship, and have empathy for people trying to escape poverty, crime, and so forth to better not just their lives, but those of their children. something that was pointed to you on a consistent basis mr. "WE GOTTA KILL ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS"

    funny you 'change your stance' once you get shitted on for a consistent basis.
     
  23. makeoutparadise I will have my revenge

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  24. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    I don't get the mentality of "life in your country sucks therefore you have a right to break the law and illegally go live in the US if you're not given citizenship basically on your word alone".

    What is your guys standard for what constitutes sufficient grounds to gain access to the US and what is the extent of the proof you would demand to validate these statements ? Because if bad shit happens to other people in said country, that doesn't in and of itself substantiate someone's claims they had it so bad they had to leave their country. Not unless you claim these countries are horrid post apocalyptic Mad Max hellscapes.

    And Normality, Alita, before you jump on that neg button to punish me for my evil racist ways, how about you answer these questions instead of being vague or completely silent ? Because if you're not addressing these basic concerns, and just hammering those dislike ratings, you are basically admitting you've lost the debate by refusing to engage in it at all.
     
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    That right there is the problem with your argument. Your argument is a complete exaggeration that sets up an "impossible standard" for anyone to come to the US seeking asylum, when the threat of death and persecution is what drives people to flee their own countries in the first place.

    No amount of defending a wannabe dictator is going to change that, nor will any amount of demonizing of anyone on the left-wing, nor will any flimsy exaggerations or fallacious comparisons. Because the fact is that Trump openly stated he wanted to ignore due process and ignore US law to throw people back over the border, and ignoring laws and due process and skipping straight to a punishment happens to be one of the attributes of a dictatorship.


    An inflamed a**hole is probably more accurate, if you're referring to Trump.
     
  26. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    How is demanding any evidence to back up your claim somehow problematic ? Would you accept a completely unevidenced statement as fact in any other context ?

    So courts should just accept statements as fact because demanding them to be proven is setting an impossible standard ?

    Or are you saying immigrants and especially illegal immigrants should get automatican unqestioning and unquestionable trust on any claims they make, while saying the native population should be denied this privilege ?
     
  27. Catalyst75 Well-Known Member

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    That is what due process happens to be about. An immigrant asks for asylum. They go through due process to determine whether or not their pleas make them eligible to stay in the United States. At the end of that process, then whether they stay or go is decided, and not before.

    Nice try, but this is exactly what I was talking about. I called you out on making the "Not unless you claim these countries are horrid post apocalyptic Mad Max hellscapes" comment, yet here you are trying to twist it around to mean something else entirely.

    Cut it with the nihilistic exaggerations. You don't even have an argument at this point outside of getting increasingly emotional and irrational with responses that have nothing to do with what you're even responding to.

    The one thing that people are asking is that due process and laws of immigration be respected and followed, while criticizing those who want to throw all of that aside because pre-existing laws are "no longer convenient" for their ideological agendas.
     
  28. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    Yes of course I mean they should substantiate their claims during their asylum proceedings. What are you on about ?

    Of course if they chose to try and sneak in illegally and never file a claim if they can help it, that's another thing.


    My point was that a lot of people seem to think that people should just be granted citizenship on the basis of bad things happening in their country in general, without needing to prove they themselves have had anything happen to them and simply believing their statements without question. And I contrasted this with comparing how this would work when applied in court.




    I am literally demanding both of these things, please tell me where I indicated proof should be provided before proper court proceedings ?
     
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    No one's making that argument. Seriously, you guys need to stop projecting so hard to make a case for yourselves. The fact that they have a bad life doesn't mean they can break the law whenever they want to, but the problem people are trying to address which for some reason doesn't get through your heads is that there are people who have every correct reason to be granted asylum but are still turned down. OTOH, there are people like you who claim that illegals should be punished immediately, without due process, and sent back, even if they are verified to be qualified for asylum.
     
  30. San Juan Wolf They're even better when you're dead

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    The media has had a bit of a different tone whenever addressing this issue, just blanketly making these statements as fact.

    Can you source the part about turning down people who should have been accepted ?
     
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