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TT3 GRANDE FINALE: Space vs Azeruth

Discussion in 'Magnolia Stadium' started by SinRaven, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    Magnolia Stadium presents
    Trial Tournament 3

    For a list of rules and character abilities/restrictions, please refer to the Guide (http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=872462) and Tier List (http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=884935).


    GRANDE FINALE


    Space

    Mirajane [60]
    Fukuro [20]

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    Azeruth

    Gray [42]
    Erigor [30]
    Duke Everlue [8]




    Location: Celestial Spirit Realm (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/262/6)
    Distance: Long

    Spoiler:

    Long: The teams start at an appropriate distance on opposite sides of the bridge under one of the gateways.
    Line of Sight: YES
     
  2. Melodie ̣

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    Advantage to azeruth

    However...

    vote melodie
     
  3. Atlantic Storm Booze Intermission Administrator

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    Spoiler:
    On Space's Team
    Mirajane - Partial/Questionable; Gray
    Fukuro - Full; Gray

    On My Team
    Gray - Full; Both
    Erigor - None
    Duke Everlue - None


    Preparation
    Spoiler:
    Gray shares his knowledge on Mirajane and Fukuro with his team. Erigor gives Duke Everlue his Scythe (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7133-13/fairy-tail/chapter-18.html).


    Strategy
    Spoiler:
    Gray will open with Aisu Meiku: Sūpā Furīzu Arō (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-140-page-14.html), aimed at killing Fukuro immediately. He will fire a second shot if the first shot does not kill Fukuro. One or two Arōs should be enough to kill Fukuro, so if Gray believes he has time, he will fire Sūpā Furīzu Arō at Mirajane in the hopes of injuring or killing her early on. He will build an Aisu Meiku: Aisu Gaizā (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-30-page-8.html) to block line of sight, while Duke Everlue uses Daibā (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-6-page-17.html) to dig into the pathway. Erigor will follow Duke Everlue underground while Gray uses Aisu Meiku: Aisu Bunshin (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-77-page-8.html) to create an Ice Clone of himself to stand behind the Gaizā and act as a decoy. Gray then follows Duke Everlue underground, who will summon Fat Virgo (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7123-15/fairy-tail/chapter-8.html). Duke Everlue and Fat Virgo will be digging anywhere they can to maintain a tactical advantage. Duke Everlue will also give Fat Virgo the Scythe (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7133-13/fairy-tail/chapter-18.html) he received during Preparation time.

    Being underground we can pick our spots to whittle down Mirajane. Duke Everlue and Fat Virgo will be keeping watch (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-7-page-19.html) from underground to find where Mirajane is, and they will bring up Gray to fire his Sūpā Furīzu Arō at her back whenever they can and if it is safe to do so. Mirajane should begin to tire, which will allow for Duke Everlue and/or Fat Virgo to bring up Erigor, who will equip Sutōmu Meiru (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7133-20/fairy-tail/chapter-18.html) and Fly (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7128-13/fairy-tail/chapter-13.html). Gray will continue to fire Sūpā Furīzu Arō as well as Aisu Meiku: Furīzu Ransā (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-308-page-8.html) while Erigor attempts to lure and harass the weakened Mirajane. Erigor will be using Sutōmu Buringā (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7133-12/fairy-tail/chapter-18.html), Wind Blades (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7134-3/fairy-tail/chapter-19.html), and Emera Baramu (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7134-6/fairy-tail/chapter-19.html) to attack as well. If Mirajane gets too close to Erigor, he will use a Wind Push (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7130-13/fairy-tail/chapter-15.html) to force her back. Mirajane can only focus on one target and is being barraged from two sides simultaneously.

    The bombardment should eventually be enough to bring down Mirajane and Gray and Erigor will finish her off with whatever means necessary. Gray has a large assortment of abilities that he will not hesitate to use if the time is right. Aisu Meiku: Aisu Inpakuto (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-308-page-9.html), Aisu Meiku: Aisu Kyanon (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-41-page-14.html), Aisu Meiku: Gunguniru (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-241-page-15.html), and a potential Erigor/Gray combination for Aisu Meiku: Shotto Gan (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-323-page-7.html) are all options. He also has a large collection of weapons that he can create, either by themselves or from Aisu Meiku: Anrimiteddo (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-308-page-16.html) that he can use, as well as his close range attacks such as Issei Ranbu (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-308-page-19.html), Hyōjin: Nanarenbu (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-185-page-18.html), and Aisu Meiku: Aisu Buringā (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-308-page-21.html). He also has his various Aisu (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/240/9) Meiku: (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-51047-5/fairy-tail/chapter-182.html) Shīrudo (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/306/9) types for defense if he ever needs to defend himself.


    What Ifs
    Spoiler:
    What if Mirajane flies?
    The strategy won?t be affected, as Gray would still be popping up and shooting at her when he can and Erigor would start flying and attacking later on. She has no idea where we are until we pop up, and we?ll be able to monitor her location with Duke Everlue?s spying.

    What if Virgo is invincible due to the Celestial Spirit Realm?
    We exploit this, if possible. Meaning Virgo will occasionally come out near Mirajane and attack her with the Scythe or her fists. Celestial Spirits cannot die (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-21280-7/fairy-tail/chapter-144.html) unless they stay in the Human World and are unable to return to the Celestial Spirit Realm to replenish their strength (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7189-2/fairy-tail/chapter-74.html). Always being in the Realm should mean Virgo either cannot be killed, or she can just be immediately resummoned. This would also grant my team an unbeatable member that Mirajane could not defeat so long as Duke Everlue survives underground. If this is not possible, we do not risk losing Virgo.

    What if Mirajane uses Yami?
    This is long distance, meaning we have a long pathway to work in, as well as the ground underneath the water and the crystal formations. Mirajane has no knowledge on our ability to dig and would only find out by charging our original location (hidden behind the Gaizā and near Gray's Ice Clone) or getting attacked from a blind spot and seeing Gray go underground. She would be blasting aimlessly as she wouldn't know where we are anyway, and her range on Yami was short distance.

    What if Mirajane uses Mizu?
    In order to use Mizu, she needs to build up the water around herself first and then she will fire it. We should be able to notice this and Gray could use Tōketsu to Freeze the water before it even hits us. It's also questionable whether Mizu would hit us since most of my team is underground anyway.

    What if Fukuro survives?
    Highly unlikely given the range, speed, and accuracy of Gray's Sūpā Furīzu Arō. If by some miracle Fukuro survives, he can be easily killed by Gray or Erigor as we start injuring Mirajane. Fukuro shouldn't be much of a factor in this match.


     
  5. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    Knowledge:
    On my team:
    Mirajane - Close to full (knows about demon powerz and flight, but no details)
    Fukuro - Close to full (but has no knowledge on the jetpack (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7204-4/fairy-tail/chapter-89.html))

    On his team:
    Gray - Pretty much full
    Erigor - None
    Everlue - None

    Preparation:
    As always the usual share of knowledge.

    Propaganda:
    Both Mirajane and Fukuro have exceptionally high speed in flight. You can see here (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7203-15/fairy-tail/chapter-88.html)that Fukuro's jet can go too extreme speeds and that Fukuro was able to keep up with it (and thus, when flying with hit himself, he would have no troubles). I don't think I'll have to make a case for Mirajane as well, but just for the record: she was able to dodge (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-220-page-13.html) an explosion where just a second ago she was captured (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-220-page-12.html).
    With this high speed they can traverse big distances with ease, but more importantly they can dodge pretty much every ranged attack that doesn't cover a large area of effects. Since Azeruth's team has no large AoE ranged attack in their arsenal, we'll be able to dodge pretty much anything.

    Strategy:
    Since it's long distance (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-56738-15/fairy-tail/chapter-196.html) and locations are adapted to their distance, this location (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/262/6) will be a bit different. The bridge would be as long as the long distance, making the location essentially a big body of water with a tiny, but lengthy bridge running through it. We'll make good use of this.
    Right from the start Mirajane will transform into her Satan Soul (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-117-page-16.html). Fukuro will also immediately fly up and will fly to the height limit (75 meters) over the body of water right of the bridge towards the enemy. When Mirajane is done transforming (less than a second), she will do the same, but she'll cover the left part of the lake.

    We're keeping close tabs on the enemy and we'll keep moving towards them. Once close enough, Mirajane will utilize the large body of water, like she's able to (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-118-page-7.html) and use it as a giant Mizu (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-118-page-8.html)attack towards all the enemies (but in Gray's general direction). After launching the attack, she will use her Yami (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-220-page-15.html) attack several times to bomb the enemy. This all while still closing in towards them. When close enough, she will enter CQC (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-118-page-5.html), after which the enemy should be dominated. Gray is her main target, so she'll finish him off first.
    Meanwhile, Fukuro also closes in. He will rush with his jetpack towards either Erigor or Everlue when he spots them. He will immediately attack with a Judgement (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/135-7200-18/fairy-tail/chapter-85.html) punch. He will then fly off, only to return to deal another Judgement blow. That again and again until they are finished or until Mirajane is done with Gray and finish the fodder off.

    What-if's
    What if the enemy hides?
    As pointed out at the start of my strategy, it is essentially a huge body of water with a tiny bridge running through. There is almost no place left to hide. In the case we d? have no clue where the enemy is, Mirajane and Fukuro will just circle above their respective parts of the lake scouting for the enemy. Should an enemy be spotted, we'll continue with our strategy.

    What if the enemy splits?
    Should at any moment Everlue or Erigor be split off from the rest of their friends, Mirajane will close in and finish them with a simple sleeping spell (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-52-page-16.html). Her high speed and agile maneuvers should be able to dodge almost any attacks of the both of 'm ?nd she should be able to use her sleeping spell without any problems. After the person split off fell asleep, Fukuro will eat him and absorb the powers.
    Should Gray be the one on his own, Mirajane will attack her with Yami's and Mizu's according to plan, to ultimately defeat him in CQC combat (after which his body will be left for Fukuro to feed on).
    Basically, splitting up is worse for them, as it will give us time to let Fukuro absorb their powers.
     
  6. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    General Rebuttal:

    Spoiler:

    Although I do admit that his Sūpā Furīzu Arō has superior range and speed, I noted in my strategy how Mirajane and Fukuro have exceptional speed. Since they immediately fly off from the start, Gray will have no change to hit them, especially if you consider the fact that the target he hit in the manga with this attack, didn't move at all (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-140-page-14.html).

    Going underground is far from a good strategy if you consider the location. I don't even know if he can go underground, as there is a bridge and bridges are usually atop of water. Let's say the bridge is connected to the ground somehow and they cn move underground, it is still not a good idea as it's just a tiny bridge in the midst of such a huge location with water. They'd have very limited movement and going astray for just half a meter will make the tunnel collapse with water, after which Azeruth's entire team will drown.

    This can and can't work. It all depends on how fast you'll think this happens. Since we immediately fly up and Gray is still firing missing arrows at that time, we will me high up in the air at the moment Gray blocks line of sight. Since we're slit up, at least one of us would probably be able to see nonetheless and thus we'll know there is a clone that is a decoy. Nonetheless, we'll find out anyway when Mira uses her first attack, as the clone is easily susceptible to pretty much anything as strong as a touch (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-77-page-8.html).
    Four people underground in a place where they have limited movement, but okay.

    Mira's exceptional speed, with which she's flying the entire time, will be able to easily dodge such an arrow. Not to mention that if we spot Gray (we only have the bridge to look at) it will be his end.

    First of all: Mirajane shouldn't begin to tire that easily. Out of all Fairy Tail's characters, she must have exceptional stamina if you consider her fight with Freed.
    With Gray still out in the open, near an underground hole, Mirajane should see him. With her Mizu and Yami's she will start to take him out (note that the hole into the underground is there as well and the Mizu attack should fill it with water, making Everlue and his spirit drown). After going into CQC, Gray should be finished here.
    Erigor will be focusing on Mirajane, which is a fun thing as Fukuro is still there. With several of his Judgement punches, that guy will be taken out as well.

    Virgo won't be invincible as there is a rule that states that characters won't be affected by the location.

    As said by yourself, you have partial/questionable knowledge on Mirajane. You know nothing about detailed attacks like Mizu and Yami and thus you won't be able to prepare yourself against them.
    We will only use Yami when close enough and when seeing the enemy, thus your arguments there don't make sense and I doubt that Gray, with all the jobs you gave him, would be able to freeze the water in time. Also, since you're leaving holes to the surface wherever you leave Gray, the water of Mizu should flow down the tunnel, drowning your entire team.

    Fukuro will survive, as he has high speed as well and Gray's target in the manga (Racer) did not move at the time he hit him with the arrow. Not to mention that Gray was standing atop the Ice Pillar for quite some time, and thus he had time to focus on hitting Racer with the arrow. Fukuro will be moving all the time and with Gray's preparation time he doesn't have, Fukuro will dodge all Arrows Gray tries to hit him with.
    With both Gray and Erigor focusing on Mirajane and Mirajane focusing on Gray, Fukuro should not be taken out easily. Especially if you consider the fact that the only target not being busy with Mirajane, Erigor, is his own target as well. Fukuro should be able to take out Erigor.
     
  7. Darth

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    vote azeruth.

    because space told me to that one time.
     
  8. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    darth get out of here :pek
     
  9. Azeruth TT3 Champion

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    They've never seen Sūpā Furīzu Arō, so there is still a chance for it to kill the clearly slower and weaker Fukuro. We can see you are flying. Gray's shot crossed long distance (which you yourself claimed was long distance) in a heartbeat. That's some incredible speed of my own in my attack. Even if it didn't, Fukuro is a non-factor in this match so long as I'm underground.

    Check the location again. Look how small Natsu and gang are compared to the platform. Now realize this expands all the way to another platform on a long bridge. There are also crystals around the sides, this area is massive to start with, at long distance there is plenty of room to navigate. Splitting up won't do much either since we can see you.

    We'd be underground at this point.

    Underground again, arguable Fukuro is even alive at this point.

    Once again, the bridge is not tiny and the area I can dig in is massive. We can just dig all the way to the spot you started and shoot you from afar. Then you'd fly back and we'd dig back. You're chasing us.

    Everlue won't split up, Erigor would potentially, but only once Mirajane has started slowing down. She's going to be flying back and forth repeatedly trying to blast an unseen enemy, she'll tire herself out as we continue hitting her.
     
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    The target he hit had an area in which things were slowed down. Why wasn't Gray's Sūpā Furīzu Arō slowed? Racer could have dodged it if that were the case, but he didn't, it was too fast. Also your evidence for Fukuro can fly fast is his Jetpack flying around in a small circle to make Natsu dizzy?

    Once again, look at the area again. This place is gigantic.

    The decoy isn't really for anything other than to expose one of Mirajane's attacks.

    Massive place.

    Dodging an arrow that crossed Long distance immediately and somehow countering with an attack that only was shown at Short Distance even though Gray will be Medium/Long distance away? I doubt that.

    Fukuro is a non-factor and most likely died at the beginning. I don't believe Mirajane will tire immediately, I believe taking several hits will start weakening her though and that will open the door for Erigor to attack. Mizu flooding the pathway? You forget we have Gray. He's not an idiot and has frozen water plenty of times.

    I saw no such rule.

    And we're not going to let Mirajane get very close. We're underground and we just saw you fly. We know Mirajane owned Freed, we know Mirajane owned Jenny in a restricted Satan Soul Erza's dubbed her strongest. We're not idiots and we're taking out Fukuro early on. Mizu is requires a wind-up first in which she gathers water around herself, that's pretty obvious to see what the attack is and what it does. Yami on the other hand has only been displayed at a Short Distance against Azuma and it did no damage to him since he blocked it.

    Fukuro will not survive. He's a weakling with flight. Gray knows exactly how to kill Fukuro, he's beaten him before.

    Your strategy is fly up, come down and nuke. My strategy is ranged assault. We have eyes in the ground, you have no idea where we come up, and we're not coming up directly beneath you ever. You're going to have Mirajane flying around all over the place spamming Yami at a massive bridge in hope of maybe finding my team when we also have the two gigantic platforms and crystal formations scattered throughout? Mirajane is going to wear herself out.
     
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  11. Azeruth TT3 Champion

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    I was hoping someone would have posted something so I wouldn't have to triple post for this, but I had some more points I wanted to make.

    The Area
    This (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/262/6) is the area we are fighting. Contrary to what Space believes, this place is massive in size. You see that center circle near the foreground? There are black lines in it. What are they? That's Natsu and company. I mistook them for a Zodiac symbol the first time I looked because they look so small. But the previous page (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/262/5) shows that is where they landed. The next page (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/262/7) also shows them when the Celesital Spirit King arrives. The place is so massive that Natsu and company look like ants. That means we have plenty of area to dig around in. As for the bridge, the same thing would apply, we would look like ants crossing it, meaning it's extremely wide to navigate. Also the water near it appears to be shallow, considering I can see lines similar to the bridge stones on the left side, as well as visible bases for the crystal formations. There is also no reflection on the water (note the large section of the original platform on the right side and nothing below it), so I know it's not just reflecting it. Shallow water means we can dig underneath the water and come back to the pathway to surface without ever hitting the water. We wouldn't have to dig very far to be underneath the water because of it. We also have the crystal formations all along the side of the Realm to work in as well. We should have no issue digging around this place.

    Yami
    First thing's first, Mirajane is a close ranged fighter. Her non-restricted spells all require close range to work. When Mirajane fires Yami, she uses two hands and makes a quick, explosive blast (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-220-page-15.html). This blast, however, failed to damage Azuma because he put up a few tree branches (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-220-page-16.html) to defend himself, and the branches took minor damage from it. The next page, Mirajane notes she used all of her power (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-220-page-17.html) fighting Azuma and barely damaged him. This means she needs to be in close range and needs to fire multiple Yamis to deal any sort of decent damage. Of course Gray, Everlue, Virgo, and for a while Erigor are underground, meaning she would struggle getting into range or locating us for a Yami anyway.

    Mizu
    Mizu is another close range attack, however for this one to work, she needs to be in the water (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-118-page-7.html). She draws in a bunch of water and then fires it. The water may envelop Freed, but it doesn't appear to do anything damage-wise, it more or less pushes him back. But more importantly, look at the last panel (the bottom left). The water disappears (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-118-page-8.html) after it hits Freed. There is a visible crater left from the river where Mirajane drew the water, and the water never returns. If the water never returns, flooding our pathway underground (which was unlikely with Gray's ability to freeze the water anyway) is pretty much gone entirely. Not to mention it likely takes the water out of the area and gives us more usable ground to dig in.

    CQC
    Self-explanatory, close range required. If Mirajane decides to go after Gray in CQC (she'd have to somehow catch him from afar anyway), Gray could easily trap her with Aisu Meiku: Gunguniru (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-241-page-15.html), rendering her completely immobile. He also has his spiked Shīrudo (http://www.[Blocked Domain]/fairy-tail/240/9) and other attacks to use that could keep him out of danger. Gray has dealt with CQC fights before, using Hyōjin: Nanarenbu (http://www.mangastream.to/fairy-tail-chapter-185-page-18.html) and his various weapons to win the fights.

    Knowledge
    I made knowledge on Mirajane Partial/Questionable for a reason. I wasn't sure if the voters believed he would have knowledge on her flight. However, he has seen her in Satan Soul before, using Sitri to destroy (in CQC I might add) Jenny. He knows she is an S-Class, he knows she turns into a demon, he knows she uses CQC. Once she enters Satan Soul and flies, he knows immediately she can fly (same for Fukuro).

    Fukuro
    I don't see him being of much use in this match. He's flying to flight cap and to his right side (our left) over the water. He's nowhere near the speed of Mirajane and is also a close range fighter. He isn't of any use until he tries to come close to my team, and we'd be underground by the time he reached us. And that's all dependent on him dodging Gray's Sūpā Furīzu Arōs at the beginning, which I don't really see happening. If he does, Gray or Erigor can easily kill him when they have the time, since he'd be charging us to attack again.
     
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    Great work guys^

    I'm reading strategies now.
     
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    Excellent strategies from both.
     
  14. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    we're finalists for a reason :noworries

    rebuttal rebuttals coming soon
     
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    I'll restrain my jibe here. :hurr

    And yeah, waiting for a bit until I vote. I'm not sure who to vote for yet.
     
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    I disagree with Virgo being invincible.
     
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    Then she only digs. It was more of a test since I remember it being asked once.
     
  18. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    the match has been extended for 24 hours

    rebuttal rebuttals still coming soon
     
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    What, I clearly won :maybe

    3 of my 4 matches have gone into a 24 hour extension. I'm lucky my first match didn't. :laugh
     
  20. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    so did 2 of mine this tournament. guess it just shows our road wasn't easy. well, mine was a little easier with a dq win but wth
     
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    The ones matches people seemed interested in was mine lol.
     
  22. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    It is not that people don't seem interested, because they do, it's just that votes were hard to decide in the matches we've had.

    Almost home.
     
  23. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    Rebuttals of rebuttals and rebuttals of rebuttals of rebuttals....
    I've noted the high speed my teammates can fly with, the extreme high speed/. Racer has never shown high speed (only normal speed that seemed high with slowing magic, but the arrow was out of the area of effects) and he didn't even move for once. We don't need to have knowledge on the arrow, it is pretty much impossible for Gray to hit us at this high speed when he doesn't even have the preparation time he had against Racer.

    Fukuro still plays an important part. It might seem like he's just hitting Erigor, but note how Erigor separates himself from the rest of your group. My what-if-they-split strategy now comes into play, with Mirajane immediately putting Erigor to sleep and Fukuro eating him. Go! We have Erigor's powers!

    I did the same thing you did at first, confuse their location with a symbol. Alas, you have room to move around with.

    You have Gray popping up constantly and Erigor coming out. As I've said, the what-if-split strategy comes into play, but my attacks with Mirajane on you will also still work. My strategy clearly says we'll only attack when we see you, not aim for nothing.

    Erigor will split up. So Mirajane sees Gray, tries to attack him with Mizu, probably hits, sees Erigor, puts him to sleep and then Fukuro eats him. Erigor can't resist a sleeping spell.

    Yes. You can't argue with the fact that that page clearly points out how fast the jetpack is.

    Again, even though that arrow was fast and accurate, it didn't show the capabilities to hit a fast moving character. Also, as said before, Gray had a lot of preparation time when he hit Racer with that arrow. He wasn't chilling atop of the ice pillar the entire time, he was preparing to hit. He doesn't have that time here, because he will be stomped by Mirajane in the meantime.

    I could have sworn I saw a rule that said characters aren't affected by locations, like how Fairy Tail mages aren't invincible on Tenrou Island. Nonetheless, it should be this way, because otherwise characters like Lucy, Yukino or even Everlue would be close to invincible in this location.

    It can also be used against you, you know: since they are in the celestial spirit realm already, Virgo can't be summoned.

    You still know nothing about Mirajane's satan soul she uses here, she has seen nothing from it. No attacks, nothing.

    Azuma blocked those attacks, alright, but his trees dd get destroyed. Needless to say how trees are equally strong, if not stronger than the human body.

    Yeah, with Ice, in CQC. With an arrow at a long distance where he only hit a immobile character after preparing a while. The situation is entirely different now.

    I won't be spamming Yami. My strategy says we'll only hit you once we're close to you. Than, Mirajane will hit you. If you say we'll never see you, than Mirajane never attacks. And since your attacks haven't shown to hit a fast character without preparing, it's going to be draw. But Mirajane will probably see you at a point and hit you.

    But he has never fought someone with the speed of Mirajane. She can dodge pretty much every attack she throws at him. She isn't stupid enough to just fly at him in a direct line, you know.

    Sitri is an entire different transformation like the one I'm using now, where Gray has no knowledge on. No knowledge on her attacks at all.

    Again : Gray trying to hit Mirajane, Mirajane Mizu's Gray, Erigor comes out, Mirajane puts Erigor to sleep, Fukuro eats Erigor, if Gray isn't dead yet Yami's and wind powers destroy him.
     
  24. Azeruth TT3 Champion

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    What preparation time could possibly be needed? He makes a bow and fires an arrow. This is long distance as well, plenty of time do whatever "preparations" he needs to shoot Fukuro out of the sky. Your example for Fukuro's high speed is him flying Natsu around in a small circle repeatedly to make him dizzy. Not sure how that proves "extreme/high speed". Are you forgetting the "extreme/high speed" of Gray's arrow to travel across long distance and hit Racer? It covered long distance in a heartbeat to nail Racer. You're telling me Fukuro, with zero knowledge, could dodge a shot that fast? I have severe doubts. Mirajane is far more likely since she'd had seen the first shot aimed at Fukuro.

    Except we have full knowledge on Fukuro and his ability to eat and steal magic. You're telling me Mirajane will cross long distance before we get underground and then suddenly put Erigor to sleep?

    Erigor doesn't split up until Mirajane has been weakened, and if she charges Erigor that leaves her open to Gray's attacks. Not to mention he's going to use Wind Pushes to keep Mirajane back or just fire Storm Bringer/Wind Blades/Emera Baramu at her or Fukuro.

    Gray popping out a good distance away to fire at Mirajane's blind side and going back underground. If she's not going to do anything to us because she doesn't see us, then she's just going to die by being a sitting duck. And again, Erigor doesn't come out until Mirajane has been weakened. And at that point she either charges Erigor and Gray hits her from behind or she goes for Gray and Erigor blasts her from behind.

    I think you've completely misunderstood my strategy with Erigor. He comes out once Mirajane is weak. We don't split up immediately, so he's underground for at least half the fight. And even when he does come out, Mirajane has to blitz him to get into range to do her sleep spell, which leaves her completely open.

    In short distances, yes, it's fast. Then again flying around in a small circle would look fast with just about anything. It's not covering a whole lot of distance, so it looks faster than it actually is.

    This is long distance, and as I said before, what preparation time is needed for a bow and arrow? He makes it, he fires it. I don't understand what more preparation time is needed when I have a full view of your team from the beginning of the match. He might spend some time aiming?

    There is nothing about Celestial Spirits, I checked. And I agree, it would be ridiculous, I even said that when I brought it up. The point was I remembered a brief discussion and since this is a Trial I figured why not bring it up and see. Virgo lives here, why wouldn't I be able to summon her?

    I have basic Fairy Tail knowledge, considering Gray was around during Mirajane's demonic teen years, as well as seeing Sitri, so he knows she turns into a demon. He saw her blitz Jenny, he knows she is an S-Class mage for a reason. And once you fire the attacks at Gray's Ice Clone, he knows about it.

    I disagree with points I've already covered.

    So you never attack me since we're either underground or popping up far away? Totally fine with that. Again with the preparation time.

    I know she's not stupid enough to do it, but Gray has more versatility in a CQC fight than Mirajane does. She has Yami, Mizu (which requires being in the water), and punching. Gray can freeze her, slice her, defend himself with a spiked shield, fire lances, put up another geyser to block her path, etc.

    Still knowledge on her ability to transform into a powerful demon.

    Again, you forget we go underground and you Mizu a Clone and that Gray pops up on the other side of the Realm to shoot you and repeats the process.
     
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  25. SinRaven Son Raven Jesus

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    I guess we're just going back and forth now. I'll leave it up to voters and will respond to them.
     
  26. LovePeaceandHope Active Member

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    Did we make the final 3 days or 5?

    And just want to say quality rebuttals and strategies.
     
  27. Azeruth TT3 Champion

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    We are currently in a 24 hour extension, so 3 days.
     
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    Thanks Azereuth

    Just some general thoughts, since I'm not sure I want to vote for yet.

    Normally I wouldn't buy a digger digging inthis location very effectively. But this is Virgo's playground + we've see locations in the celestial realm where you can dig. So she should know where to takeher team post-bridge.

    Only thing I'm unceratin of is whether or not Gray and co can also ftt in Everlues holes in this location. I like your use of Erigor a lot better in this match. Its more or less how I assumed you would originally use him underground.

    This is also a very good location for Mira And Space did a good job with her. Had it been any other digger than Virgo, I'd probably have voted for Space right off the bat. Regardless, it seems to me that Azereuths team has a lot of difficulty against aerial teams.
     
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    We discussed the massive size of this place. I don't see why they would struggle to fit in Everlue's hole here. Also not sure why we'd have difficulty against an aerial team here, especially since both of them require close range to do any attacks.
     
  30. LovePeaceandHope Active Member

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    Not sure how thick the bridge is. Everlue seems to be able to go through walls just fine, but I'm just wondering how good of a hole it can be for gray and co. Once you get to a good location for digging I'm not envisioning any kind of difficulties.

    Mira has some stronger mid-range attacks in this location with the water. But just in general I think it easier to blast at something beneath you than above you.

    Edit:Nevermind, looked at the scans again. Its not the bridge you'd have to dig under.
     

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